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Have I missed something or have ALPA put something out about this?

Surely the company aren't serious about us doing important training like this from home.:confused::(

Please explain.

Hi Yeti Breath,

Are you Air NZ? If not it doesn't matter. The company have asked us to do considerable and vital (thier words) training at home over the net.

I'm just wondering what ALPA thinks.

alpapilot

Have you tried asking them?

You are an ALPApilot are you not?

I haven't but I believe theres some disagreement in the Council over this. Various council members are wanting action but the leadership are doing and saying nothing!

So if there is debate in the council, they probably are working on something. Why ask the question on prune before asking the council?

What is your real agenda?

More to the point, why do you think the great majority of the rest of us, who are not Air NZ pilots, care in the least about an internal Air NZ squabble?

Take it to your company council or the union directly. :ugh::ugh::rolleyes:

If there is debate in council then there must be a possibility that the company is correct? Or at least there is some doubt about the contract wording perhaps?

Either way as kiwilad correctly asked -

Well said remoak!!

Who gives a toss on PPRUNE about the petty cr*p that occurs within the Air NZ council.

Geez! Put your handbags away ladies. This is a forum for pilots. Air NZ pilots are...pilots! If you're not interested in the topic, don't read it. Simple.

Most major airlines do it this way. Cathay certainly do. Its very easy and a useful tool.:ok:
I much prefer to do it at home with a coffee/beer than in the company offices.:ok: Or I tend to do it in the hotel when on company time and am trying to avoid the bar and other crew lol

That does not make it right. CX AOA exercised quid pro quo in the matter.
At least give people the option or it may become the thin edge of the wedge.

What type of training are they proposing to do over the internet?

Air NZ already have in house Computer Based Training. What is the difference if this is done at home or at the workplace?

Shot,

The less time I spend in CX City, the better. Whats the wifi like at the Oaks? A perfect day for the beer garden I think.:ok:

Eh? I'm not working at home on company business. Or they can roster me (at home) for it. General studying at home too keep myself current is one thing; doing a specific training course in my own time at home is another.

What? Do you need to be spoon fed too? Do it on yer standby days. We've got 90 guys here that recently studied and qualified on Engadin Airport St. Moritz Airlines: News along with company documentation. That was done during their standby time and not one of them felt the need to run to ALPA either ...
Sheesh

Useless comments from industrial weaklings not required!

Last time I looked "Day Off" meant "FREE OF ALL DUTY". Alpapilot has a point. This is an erosion of our conditions in Air NZ. There have been plenty of union sanctioned ones in the last 10 years. Those of you who recommend 'going to ALPA' obviously have had your heads in the sand - all you get from officers and staff is B- S- and platitudes.

I suspect his 'agenda', if he has one other than wondering what the f*** is going on, is to get ALPA off its backside and tell the company to get stuffed and roster the specific training instead of using a contractual facility meant for airport briefings, etc.

Non Air NZ - butt out!:mad:

I care what happens within the Air NZ council because what occurs there effects all NZALPA councils. If the Air NZ Council allows training to be done out of duty then it will open up everyone with in the Air NZ Group to completing training outside of duty and most of us do not even get an IT allowance.

So thank you Alpapilot for bringing this to the attention of those who do give a crap. For those who do not may I suggest you use the "Go back one page button" on your browser and find a thread you do care about.

Now that they are gone lets look at what I think Alpapilot is getting at.

I believe NZALPA is allowing too many of these little erosions to occur. The more you see then being brushed over and not acted on the more you start to think what does that 1% of your salary going to the union actually give you.

Ok, cat, pigeons -go!

The NZ pilots I fly with are regular guys. The comments above seem to be from pilots who cannot get a job with the big boys.
Don't you guys have a private site to discuss these matters?

Not sure of the contract but if you can do airport briefings already what is the major difference between the two?

Alpapilot has put this in a public forum before asking the council for an explanation, so why would that be done this way? Mis-information, scare tactics??

RedUnder.... how many of your industrial minded fellow pilots would park up for this? It always seems to be the solution you offer. Are you sure you really have the support?

I guess if you feel that strongly alpa, bongo and redunder must all be members of the council, if you are then this would cause me more concern that council members are publicly undermining themselves and their council. But from what I hear AirNZ pilots only get involved for their own causes!!!!:D Downtraining and Hotel cases anyone!!