Word has it that Alliance now in QF's sights on the East Coast.

Anyone at Eastern or Sunnies still convinced they'll be flying the Jets and not Network/Alliance? :E

My condolences to the staff at Network.
Your once pleasent work place and conditions have gone.....".................


Give it twelve months and we will be raiding about another QF organization that has one unhappy group of employees. Dteriaying conditions year after year.

If you think your in for a winfall out of this purchase, reread all the QF threads on here.

Good luck

Or speak to anyone at Eastern/Sunnies about how well the 'take over' went! :*

Yeah going nowhere have a mate that has bet everything on the "single isle jet".

Skynews interesting you say that. Out of bordem the other night I counted from the top how many threads were QF group related from the top. I reached 5 in a row. Know people that worked there that left and would not return under any circumstances. They felt very strongly about this. Amazing given QF mainline conditions are superior to all.

As for Network and WA well you'll see more quick F100 commands happen at NAA in the next 12-18 months than you can poke a stick at. And might I mention they are now THE most stable powerful operator on the West Coast. No longer the risky and poorer cousin they now hold all the power. (uncle Joyce says so)

Quick commands for sure.

Then we have to ask who gets them, what happens to the conditions?
You can bet money they are not going up, never again will they go up.
Then, after a year or so the reality sets in, bing part of QF sucks and that the good times at Network have gone.

Big brother will be watching and questioning every move you make until life is almost unbearable, cost cutting will be an expectation even or a bones of the arse company, it certainly will not get better.

A red jet with white tail I believe.

NAA Fo's with time on type probably the starting point. Then Sky West and Alliance Fo's that want career progression, real staff travel and QF backing. ($250 to london anyone?). Maybe some PNG guys.

Having said that Alliance have had some quick commands.

The bit I wonder about is this. AJ says "massively expand the fleet". Which contracts is he eyeing off? Which are coming up for tender. Anyone in the know?

Vigi-one have heard the rumour about a QF Alliance deal but have heard its just that :rumour.

Sky west pilots moving to Network for career progression, yeah right onto what?
Sky west already have F100's and A320 so where is the progression.
Ask the current QF subsidiaries what sort of career progression is available.
As for staff travel the latest agreements have staff travel discounts a 50% replacing the old 90 %. Considering the possibility of not having available seats, and discount airfares with other carriers, big deal. Keep it.
Now what will these guys be offered if anything?

B717's maybe????

The article states below,

It intends to take the business beyond Western Australia and is looking at potential growth opportunities such as defence charters.

So i would assume Network will operate in QLD and perhaps Sth Australia for the Fly In Fly out market, as well as doing defence charters out of TSV,DRW ??

Just said it was a possibility for FO quick commands. Seem to have hit a bit of a raw nerve there.. hmm.

I guess Network becoming the dominant carrier in WA is going to become a bitter pill to swallow for some. Good on them I say! I like seeing the under dog have a win :ok:. If you look at their story it is a pretty impressive one.

Right to Left seat F100. Jet command and a pay rise rather than sitting and waiting gathering out of production FO time. A320? You're right they should wait around for a slot on that :ugh:.

As for staff travel 90/50 or whatever you cant beat the white rat network (pardon the pun)! They (QF AJ) deserve a bagging on some things but credit where credit is due. Some of their employee benefits have got to be better than some of the two bit mining charter operators!

Whats the pay and conditions of an F100 Captain at Network?

Hat, no raw nerve, doesn't have any affect on me, I just think there may be rose coloured glasses. Some of the smaller operations like network, are simply better tO work for.

My point with the 50% travel is that that's all some of the new employee groups get. 50% off the full economy rate and standby to boot. I.e. Similar price to a definite seat ticket via the Internet. There is no benefit in that anymore.

I wish all the network guys well. I hope it works out, BUT if the rest of Qantas is an indication, they are in for some heart ache.

Fair enough Skynews. I've heard different things about QF staff travel from different people so I'm not sure what the deal is. Someone from Jetstar told me that pilots and family there qualified for business class from day one. Who knows, perhaps each has EBA differences.

My other point was that I expect to see some ads in the Australian for Direct Entry COmmands in the next 18 months or so for NAA on the F100. And surely some FO's with F100 time might take it. What would be very interesting is if the rumour about QF and Alliance is true.

Wow, Qantas buy the company and you already have them as the dominant operator in the next five minutes.

IF that happens it would take many years. Just look at the size of Skippers, Cobham and Skywest. Network do not have a huge apron although there is some room for expansion. Unless they gravel kit the F100 (is it available) they will not steal Skippers work. Cobham have a gravel kit on one 146 already and I hear are planning more. Skywest have a solid and part protected network. So Network do have their work cut out.

Unlikely as the idea is to keep one jet type for the cost saving. The F100 is on the AOC and in operation, spares, engineers, manuals all in place. Just buy more! The added benefit is it keeps both the Network and Qantalink (Cobham) pilot groups worried about losing the work. A great trick at EBA time. The 717 will stay RPT with the Network F100s doing FIFO and probably some OS work.

Yeh, I think its only new CC that are on 50% but be assured that's just the tip of the iceberg. I suggest, don't know, that any new group such as Network, will be offered the same poxy deal. Only time will tell.

I suspect you are going to see an expansion of engineering that will handle QF737. Obviously not going to replace Melb maint base, but give them some much needed options in the west.

PH airport is a dogs breakfast. Probably a good move by QF as they will have somewhere else to park their fleet o/night. The 600 lane is full almost every night. Increasingly you will see at least 3 or 4 B767's in addition to the 10 odd B737's.

With them already having the B717 deal with Cobham I think there is more to this than just fleet and services.

Qantas announces fleet expansion, boosts Network | Australian Aviation Magazine

Yep thats an expansion

6 months on whats the gossip?

Is Cobham still going to run the 717s? Contract going to be renewed for 2012?

Network going to be the biggest FIFO operator in Perth?

Network to take all of Cobhams work?

Improved terms and conditions for pilots or will we all be fighting to keep bread on the table?:(