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NumptyAussie 9th May 2018 12:41

[QUOTE=WingNut60;10142022]Smart-@rs3d answer - It depends where you get on!

Perth - Forrestfield : 2 zones $4.70 full fare.


Who really wants to get onto a suburban train (up to 10 stops) with luggage?

WingNut60 9th May 2018 13:40


Originally Posted by IsDon (Post 10142122)
What about the “Airport Station Fee”?
In Sydney it’s $14.30 above the cost of your ticket.



Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10142130)
Who really wants to get onto a suburban train (up to 10 stops) with luggage?

Not me for one.
Though I might catch the train one station to Forrestfield to get picked up, rather than have the missus rack up some horrendous parking fee for arriving too early (like 30 minutes early) or if the flight is delayed.

I really can't imagine that train to the airport getting much use at all.
Maybe backpackers heading for Bali and the FiFo crews - next to no luggage.
But not of they have to pay $15 to get off the train.

I am well accustomed to using the train in Tokyo, KL and, occasionally, Bangkok.
But that's a whole different ball game and a whole different level of service.

Icarus2001 9th May 2018 14:33

Newsflash: The Forrestfield rail line will not go to or through Forrestfield. Worst named rail line in Australia.

WingNut60 9th May 2018 15:37


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10142205)
Newsflash: The Forrestfield rail line will not go to or through Forrestfield. Worst named rail line in Australia.

Officially the terminal station, next to Dundas Rd, is in North Forrestfield, even if people from High Wycombe disagree.

Much the same naming conflict occurred over the T3/T4 station - Redcliffe or Belmont.

WingNut60 9th May 2018 22:26

Whoops, what happened to that last post (#287? - temporary) on platform access fees?

From my snooping it seems that those fees are in fact levied by Airport Link Company who, in turn, pay the NSW Govt something approaching AUD $1.5M per week in "train service fees".
Am I right in guessing that those fees are only levied for passengers catching the train from the airport?
If a levy like that is imposed in Perth then the train is going to be very short of passengers.

Icarus2001 10th May 2018 10:24


Officially the terminal station, next to Dundas Rd, is in North Forrestfield, even if people from High Wycombe disagree.
There is no such suburb as North Forrestfield, there is a Forrestfield and High Wycombe.

This map shows the "Forrestfield" station on Dundas Road between Berkshire Road and Maida Vale road.

Anything North of Berkshire road on Dundas Road would be High Wycombe.

https://profile.id.com.au/kalamunda/about

https://www.trenchless-australasia.c...nment-Plan.png

My only doubt is if my map sources are wrong because the gummint have moved the station?

So as I said, it neither goes through or terminates in Forrestfield.

Your turn.

BuzzBox 10th May 2018 10:51


There is no such suburb as North Forrestfield, there is a Forrestfield and High Wycombe.
Incorrect. There's a new area called Forrestfield North:


In 2014, the State Government confirmed the Forrestfield-Airport Link project, inclusive of a new rail line to Perth Airport and a train station in Forrestfield North near High Wycombe. With the proposed development of a new rail line and train station, the City and key State Government Agencies including the Western Australian Planning Commission (WAPC) identified the need to redefine the potential land uses surrounding the future station, focussing on mixed use development incorporating retail, commercial and higher density residential.
City of Kalamunda - Forrestfield NORTH

Icarus2001 10th May 2018 11:26

Yes but is it a gazetted suburb or an area of the suburb known as Forrestfield? Which suburb is the station in again?

The name was all about buying votes with the unwashed that live in Forrestfield. Like Ellenbrook...

BuzzBox 10th May 2018 12:01

It’s in the Forrestfield North precinct, next to the Forrestfield marshaling yards. They decided to call it ‘Forrestfield’. So what?

Icarus2001 10th May 2018 12:11

Have you ever flown to the "London" airport known as Stanstead? Or the "Barcelona" airport known as Girona? Or the Paris airport known as Beauvais?


They decided to call it ‘Forrestfield’. So what?
It does not go there or through there. Why not call it the promised Ellenbrook line?

WingNut60 10th May 2018 12:19


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10143021)
Yes but is it a gazetted suburb or an area of the suburb known as Forrestfield? Which suburb is the station in again?

The name was all about buying votes with the unwashed that live in Forrestfield. Like Ellenbrook...

I didn't just dream this up. However it seems that my dyslexia kicked in - it is officially Forrestfield North.
It is to be developed as a residential precinct, whatever that may be. It lies within the suburb of Forrestfield but is not a suburb itself.
But then, apparently, nor is High Wycombe or Maida Vale.

Our disagreement may be around the definition of suburbs.
As I see it, the northern boundary of the suburb of Forrestfield is Margaret Rd, north of Kalamunda Road and lies in the locality (not suburb) of High Wycombe.
The new station is well within the northern boundary of the suburb of Forrestfield but only just inside the western boundary between the suburb of Forrestfield and the suburb of Belmont.

Have a look at Suburb maps

BuzzBox 10th May 2018 13:08

Some people like to get their knickers in a twist over the most ridiculous things.

Icarus2001 10th May 2018 14:43


Have a look at Suburb maps
That would be Census data and Electoral.

Have a look at this map...

https://profile.id.com.au/kalamunda/about



Some people like to get their knickers in a twist over the most ridiculous things.
I don't wear knickers. At least we are exchanging views and discussing something, what are you doing?

WingNut60 10th May 2018 15:58


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 10143212)
That would be Census data and Electoral.

Have a look at this map...

https://profile.id.com.au/kalamunda/about


I don't wear knickers. At least we are exchanging views and discussing something, what are you doing?

Yes, maybe I didn't drill down far enough.
Still looking.

NumptyAussie 10th May 2018 20:13


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10143267)
Yes, maybe I didn't drill down far enough.
Still looking.

Talking of drills, did they not have to stop the tunneling work under the airport due to subsidence? (See what I did there?)

WingNut60 10th May 2018 22:29


Originally Posted by NumptyAussie (Post 10143404)
Talking of drills, did they not have to stop the tunneling work under the airport due to subsidence? (See what I did there?)

Apparently resolved - Perth Airport link tunnelling work resumes after two-month hiatus

What irks me is that ALL press releases only ever mention "scheduled completion in 2020".
A date, or even a month, is never mentioned.
Effectively, what they are saying in terms of a milestone on a critical path, is that completion is scheduled for 23:59:59 on 31 December 2020.

I know that projects like this can and will encounter delays, but there is an actual scheduled completion date, even if it changes from time to time.
And there will definitely be, in the commercial contract, contingencies for unforeseen delays as well as bonuses for early completion.
You can bet that both the project managers and the government will be self-promoting with "under time and under budget" if the opportunity arises.

But how is the public to know what the real achievement is.if they never reveal the schedule.
They are all still gun-shy following the Children's Hospital fiasco.

Capn Bloggs 18th May 2018 03:00

ABC News, 17 May 2018:

Perth Airport's third runway clears hurdle, sparks immediate Noongar backlash

Updated yesterday at 6:15pmThu 17 May 2018, 6:15pmPerth Airport's expansion plans have cleared a major hurdle, putting a decades-old proposal for a third runway a step closer to reality.

But Aboriginal Affairs Minister Ben Wyatt's decision to grant Aboriginal heritage approval for the runway sparked an immediate backlash, with Noongar groups angry about the impact on a nearby sacred site.

The new airstrip, which is unlikely to be operational for about a decade and still has some hurdles to clear before it can proceed, will be constructed in part on Munday Swamp and will run parallel to the existing main runway.

Munday Swamp is an ancient turtle-fishing site deemed to be of high cultural importance to the Noongar community.
Mr Wyatt pointed to the need for a third airport runway, pointing to passenger demand, but conceded his decision would anger some in the Noongar community.

"I appreciate the hurt my decision today may cause a number of Noongar people," Mr Wyatt said.

"I take no pleasure in this announcement."

"However my ministerial responsibility to protect Aboriginal cultural heritage must take into account the broader interests of the whole state of Western Australia."

The decision sparked an immediate backlash from some campaigners, with the South West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council "deeply disappointed" with Mr Wyatt's decision.

"The proposed new runway would destroy the cultural, historical and spiritual significance of the Munday Swamp, which is already acknowledged as being sacred to the Whadjuk Noongar People," the council said.
Iva Hayward-Jackson, a director of the Rottnest Island Deaths Group Aboriginal Corporation, said he was angry and disappointed with the decision.

"It is damaging to our spirit, to our culture, to our sacred land and our sacred waterways," he said.

"This is a sacred area that is ancient ... there are 30,000-plus years of Aboriginal heritage and culture at that particular site."

Perth Airport said the parallel runway, to be built to the south-east of existing airport infrastructure, was needed to cater for an expected surge in demand.
The airport is predicting it will see 35 million passenger movements by 2045, up from 13.6 million currently.

"Two distinct flight paths are much safer, it allows for much more frequency of flights taking off and landing," Perth Airport chief executive Kevin Brown said.

"In our region there is a lot of opportunity and we want to make sure we are providing that full opportunity."

Mr Brown said everything possible had been done to minimise the impact on Munday Swamp, including shifting the proposed runway further away from that site than initial plans had proposed.

"Ninety per cent of the swamp will be protected for future generations," he said.

The airport's expansion plans will see Qantas shift its operations to the 'Airport Central' precinct, near the international terminal, by 2025.


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