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apache,
mentions NOTHING about the low $$$ on offer,managements refusal to deal with the issues at hand, or the company increasing working hours for no more renumeration.That pilots were pressured to extend their working day because the company didn't want to have a decent number of pilots on reserve lines, or that pilots, sometimes even MANAGEMENT pilots could(and did) earn more $$$ working their second job, than they would by going in to work for the airline. A typical standard ploy and tactic of any organisation's management is to blame the front line people when problems arise. Perhaps REX management should remove the blindfold and look at the big picture. Some pilots will move on to bigger and better things such as a larger aircracft type that is not on offer in their present employment environment, for sure. But some move on due to crap pay, conditions, work environment, rostering and particularly crap management. There is a number of reasons for the decision to change employer. I wonder if REX management was offered similar roles to what they current perform at hypotheticaly lets say The Rat on quadruple the salary with bonuses, huge share allocations and other sweetners would they jump ship ?? I think so. |
What about the issue of cadet F/O 'upgradeability'? Rex might be happy to have the security of a bonded F/O for seven years but where are their captains coming from? The Senate seems to be under the impression (due to a lack of info on this) that there will be a natural career path progression within the company for cadets and because the company is getting them 'early' they will automatically stay longer. :suspect:
Also totally agree with Apache that there are a lot of other unaddressed questions. Not every pilot aspires to fly an A380. How come other companies flying similar equipment didn't experience the same dessertion problems to the extent that Rex did? |
Training bid to force Rex cuts: minimum experience levels | The Australian
Jim Davis and Chris Hine what a pair of scumbags!! Truly bottom feeders of the industry...:yuk::yuk::yuk: |
....and now the political blackmail commences!
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I know of one kid with a learning disability that is now flying for the Qantas group.....
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When Rex took on their first direct entry FOs earlier this year, the training captains remarked what a relief it was to fly with them.
Chris Hine has not flown the line for some time, so I doubt he is qualified to make that assessment. Perhaps the training captains need to leak the real situation on the frontline to the good senator. The word is cadets are hard work, sporadic and need to be watched like a hawk. GG |
Green Goblin
Any idea if REX are going to start recruiting direct entry F/O's again soon or do you think they will stick with the cadets? |
Either way it is now a matter of public record that Mr Davis stated that 100% of REX new FO's are cadets that have gone through the Academy because they are 'so impressed with the outcomes'
Well that was the testimony given to the Senate Committee - hope he is not telling porkies!!!. |
The answer is obvious. They'll have to! Jim's Phophecy of having to cut routes if the 1500 hour rule were to be introduced, will ironically come to pass if they continue to employ only Cadets!
So far REX have avoided the real issue. Thanks GFC! Time will tell if their strategy will last. My guess is REX will continue with their pathalogical refusal to actively retain their experienced Captains. I also believe that this attitude will once again result in substantial schedule cancellations. As before the travelling public will be the losers. REX will make say... $18mil instead of $25mil. They don't care! And GG you are exactly correct, but the problem is many of the REX training Captains were still wet behind the ears themselves when offers were made about a year ago. Many experienced Captains simply didn't want the grief! As such most of these training captains are still new enough to put ambition above rocking the boat. You probably won't see many official complaints from that department! :sad: |
So is it a criminal offence to lie to a senate enquiry? Genuine question. :suspect:
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From the Parlimentary Website
After reading some of the written submissions from the Airlines and Training providers over half of them could be accused of this in my opinion. Many of the documents seem to have been lifted from sales type documents with so much spin in them they are misleading Anyway to answer the question: Contempt of the Senate and remedies for contempt When the actions of a witness or another person influencing a witness have the effect of obstructing the inquiries of a Senate committee (or future inquiries), those actions may be treated as contempts. Examples of such offences include:
The committee has, for example, inquired into a case where the chairman and senior members of a statutory body attempted to place restrictions on another member of the body from giving evidence. Although no contempt was found to have been committed, the committee was highly critical of the actions of the statutory body. In another case, the Committee of Privileges investigated an allegation that a witness received adverse treatment from his superior officers as a result of his appearance at a joint committee hearing. Senior officers of a statutory body imposed a penalty on the junior officer, who had given evidence in a private capacity. The Committee of Privileges found that a contempt had been committed and was strongly critical of the officers and the organisation. The Parliamentary Privileges Act 1987 provides that a House of Parliament may impose terms of imprisonment or substantial fines for individuals and corporations as a penalty for contempt. To date the Senate has not had occasion to use either of these penalties, preferring an educative and preventative approach. The Senate has accepted apologies and remedial action, and has encouraged government officials in particular to attend training courses on the rights and obligations of witnesses before parliamentary committees. |
Sunfish;
I know of one kid with a learning disability that is now flying for the Qantas group..... What an absurd statement. |
But cadets have to pay for their own training and are bonded for 7 years, no comparison really.
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Green Goblin Any idea if REX are going to start recruiting direct entry F/O's again soon or do you think they will stick with the cadets? They have been interviewing and hiring direct entry FOs all year. Why? Because they have an extreme shortage of upgradable FOs. A common complaint I have heard with REX, is that they will interview roughly 6 at a time, hire maybe 2, and keep the rest hanging without ever letting them know their interview result. This has been going on for at least 2 years that I know of. Shame on you rex. |
I thought CASA was part of the Qantas Group.
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"If we were not able to recruit pilots and put them through a cadet scheme it would take us back to the randomness of trying suitable candidates that wouldn't be at a high standard to join our airline or any other airline," he said. |
GA Randomness
what Rex said is that the standards of applicants from GA was crap!
those crappy standards have arisen from a training sector that consistently fails to produce the goods and operators who choose to live with the crap rather than fix it. Rex chose to fix it by starting their own training school focused on producing an airline capable pilot that met their standards for knowledge, skills and behaviour. the root cause is the largely self-regulating flying training sector - CASA needs to fix the problem at source RFN! actually, Rex is still not doing enough to fix the overall problem, despite their self-congratulation. but in all fairness, individual operators shouldn't have to fix a systemic problem, and at least they are doing something. |
That is what Rex said but they have an agenda. Maybe they said it not because the standard of GA was crap but because they saw an opportunity to make money out of training cadets who will pay the airline and then be bonded to them for 7 years under marginal T&C's. That is quite an incentive to rubbish GA.
This has proven to be a money spinner for the EU airlines but their GA was never enough to supply the number of pilots needed, especially now that military pilots are staying put. The USA, which has an extensive GA sector and has recently outlawed this cadet practice by the introduction of the 1500 hour rule for the RHS. |
Aipa gave evidence before senate that it thought glider experience was not appropriate. JQ Singapore cadets on the advanced course can use 700 hours rotary time to satisfy the local Singapore minima - how relevant is that to flying a fixed wing jet?
I hope casa and the government spot that one when these guys are flying round in a vh registered jet!! |
I was just reading a great article from the Royal Aeronautical Society. It is an interview with QANTAS Senior Check Captain David Evans and gives a detailed account of the QF32 uncontained engine failure in November.
When asked the question ASChan: Interesting you mention airmanship. As a training/check captain are you personally worried about the next generation of pilots who may be fixated with the glass cockpits? DE: Absolutely.* Nothing will replace experience. In a legacy airline like Qantas where we have the luxury, if you like, of very experienced pilots (the most junior pilot to the most senior all have extensive backgrounds in aviation – whether it be military or general aviation). That can’t be replaced. More to Follow The Kelpie Ps DE if you are reading this, the QF32 crew did a great job - well done to you all!! |
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