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Gingerbread 22nd Jul 2010 22:32

AIPA President on Radio National
 
Just heard BJ stumble and bumble his way through an interview with Fran Kelly on RN. A good start in the Oz this morning where Creedy wrote up the issue of J* employing pilots in SIN to fly into (and presumably around) Australia but it was all downhill after that.

BJ completely lost the goodwill of the interviewer by turning the matter into a union whinge about pay! Where was the standards issue BJ? Where was the suave, confident media manner that most still expect from a senior pilot?

Where was the media brief and the 3 points? Where was the media savvy? Probably more to the point, why did BJ sack the media company that ran the "Your Rights at Work" campaign? Where were the tactics in promoting the issue but most of all - and galling to those who endured his hypocrisy of the Qantas Sale Act case - he raised the issue of the QSA preventing Qantas from operating international passenger services in a name other than "Qantas"!

I almost fell over my chair damn near losing the weet bix!

This was the guy who crticised the previous President for too many court cases! This was the guy who got elected as Presdient by 20 odd COM members on the basis that "If we're nice to them - they'll be nice to us" and most of all . . . this was the guy who dropped the Qantas Sale Act case supposedly to gain access JQ flying for QF pilots - and got nothing for it!

And this was the guy who ran his Presidential campaign on the basis that we needed to stop "things falling through the cracks at AIPA" . . . yep, the cracks may have closed but the yawning chasm has replaced them!

Give it up Barry . . . this morning was the latest example how you have missed every opportunity presented to you. Where's the industrial strategy? Where's the legal strategy? Where's the media strategy? Where's the political strategy? Where the strategy with the fund managers and owners of Qantas?

Yes - being President is difficult . . . it's tough and tough decisions need to be made - you can't be liked by everyone.

Just remember Dicko's words: "Jetstar will never be bigger than 5 aircraft" . . . being nice to them NEVER works.

You missed the boat with J* setting up in NZ last year, you missed the boat with the QSA case and you missed the boat with this morning's hopeless interview. AJ would be even under more pressure from the board and fund managers without your assistance.

As has been said about a higher profile but similarly comic-tragic figure:

"He never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity".

Gingerbread 22nd Jul 2010 22:38

Oz and RN links
 
Here are the links:

Jetstar's pilot push under fire: Qantas pilots union | The Australian

Pilots angry over Jetstar's new 'group' company - Radio National Breakfast - 23 July 2010

The Professor 22nd Jul 2010 22:53

"AIPA president Barry Jackson warned that Australian skies "could be full of foreign pilots on low wages" and with differing training and experience."

They already are.

This is industrial smoke screening. A greed issue disguised as a safety issue.

Does Barry object to Air Vietnam flying into Australia?

Does Barry object to Singapore airlines flying into Australia?

The travelling public dont care.

Normasars 22nd Jul 2010 23:03

can this circus just go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fonz121 22nd Jul 2010 23:31

Well that was cringeworthy.

So many opportunities to make a good argument about the points she was coming up with but it all just ended up a bumbling mess of words trailing off into the distance.

KABOY 22nd Jul 2010 23:48

I don't understand what tack AIPA are taking, is it about australian registered planes flying without australian pilots or pilots flying australian planes for less money???

This is a no win situation and all AIPA is doing is starting to show themselves as elitist's under attack.

You guys better develop a strategy with the public about something that doesn't involve being cheaper or inferior.

QF will fill these positions with Australians just to ensure there is no case, mark my words!

3 Holer 23rd Jul 2010 02:39


AIPA president Barry Jackson warned that Australian skies "could be full of foreign pilots on low wages" and with differing training and experience.

Captain Jackson said he believed Australian employment law was applicable to foreign pilots recruited to fly into Australia and anything less was "a transparent attempt at subverting Australian pay and conditions and should be seen as such by this country's political leadership".

They do say what goes around, comes around.
A little dejavu here but this time it's in QF's court!:{

WoodenEye 23rd Jul 2010 03:35

Those who stand for nothing while sitting on the fence can't be expected to have the courage to clearly express convictions they do not hold.

UnderneathTheRadar 23rd Jul 2010 04:37

***Thread Drift***
 

Those who stand for nothing while sitting on the fence can't be expected to have the courage to clearly express convictions they do not hold.
Is it anatomically possible to stand for nothing while sitting on a fence?

Gingerbread 23rd Jul 2010 04:43

Warning: Aphorism Ahead
 
Actually, in this case, I prefer:

"Those who stand for nothing fall for everything."

Captain Dart 23rd Jul 2010 07:07

It only took AIPA twenty-one years to react to foreign pilots flying Australian aircraft...I don't normally use emoticons but here goes: :ugh:

3 Holer 23rd Jul 2010 07:55

That's a much better way of putting it Captain D !:ok:

teresa green 23rd Jul 2010 08:27

Oh boy, Captain Dart am I with you. There is nothing like watching your former aircraft taking off with a foreign pilot at the controls, sticks in your guts forever.:(

Normasars 23rd Jul 2010 10:43

disregard!!! Entered in error. Sorry.

LondonSloop 25th Jul 2010 00:31

The Radio National interview hasn’t played well in the City.
Knights of the Empire are in a dither.
They say it’s time for you Aussies to decide which fork Qantas will put on the table.

Gingerbread 27th Jul 2010 02:59

SMH Story - AIPA takes on Qantas
 
Pilots take Qantas to court over award wage

So where's media follow-up this morning? Did I miss the well organised assault on the airwaves by Capt Jackson? Or anyone.

It's a good story but amateur hour at AIPA means very little follow up.

By the way, the last media release on the AIPA website is 25 June. Time to update guys.

teggun 27th Jul 2010 03:49

I find this very interesting,

"The pilots have asked the full bench of Fair Work Australia to vary the pilots' award so that it covers any wholly-owned subsidiary of Qantas, thus forcing the airline to pay the Jetconnect pilots Australian wages".

Wouldn't this then allow all the Qantas subsidiary's to gain intergration into mainline, and even allow the Regionals to re-open their intergration case from years ago that was never really appealed. after the decision was handed down.

Interesting.:eek:

Taildragger67 27th Jul 2010 06:56


The Radio National interview hasn’t played well in the City.
What, the bit where it's up 10c in the last three days?

WorthWhat 27th Jul 2010 10:02

Really! S&P released today its latest industry report card for Asia-Pac transport companies and S&P considers Qantas’ current credit metrics to be relatively weak for a BBB rating.

S&P may look through any short-term weakness but Qantas must tread carefully.

Mstr Caution 27th Jul 2010 10:08

Teggun

Coverage & integration are two different issues.

For what it's worth, my opinion is all QF subsidiaries should have promotional opportunities to mainline, but a a fellow ppruner I'm not in a position to make it happen.


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