Jetstar Pilot texting during landing
 

From the SMH

Pilot 'texting during landing'

More than happy to wait for further information before commenting. :oh:

have a read of (sorry, don't know how to 'link') TAIC (NZ) investigation report 03-004. PA31 controlled flight into terrain. This was an accident where the aircraft flew into terrain short of the runway at Christchurch flying the ILS with tragic results. One of the findings was the Pilots cell phone was being operated in the final 3 minutes of flight.

Well, if its true it will easily come out - its childs play for the authorities to find out almost exactly where a phone was at a given time and whether it was being operated, provided it was actually on the network at the time. :ouch:

If it was a breakdown in SOPs maybe the new cadet pilots will alleviate that in the future. Everybody knows the younger generation dislike texting & the like :rolleyes:

Please note the above is in no way meant to imply any texting was being carried. I'll wait for the official report.

How does anyone know he/she was texting. Only the other pilot would know. If true then surely it would have all been kept in house and sorted.

Are you suggesting it is standard practice to flout the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003?

I thought this issue was put to bed years ago.

I'll reserve my opinion till a final report is released.

Jetstar backflips over pilot accusations

Maybe his phone was switched on as in forgot to turn it off, and as the plane approached the airport his phone connected to the system and he recieved some texts. Can they tell if it was an incoming or out going text when they match up his text times with the landing times. They need proof , so CVR or other crew member as witness. Maybe go around was just unrelated . Wait for report

It's not hard to forget to switch off the phone on departure if it's sitting inside a bag. Maybe this guy left his on and it went off as it came into range of a cell and the backlog of messages arrived, during landing.

Whatever the reason for over-looking the gear, they appear to have selected landing flap (and triggered the config. warning) at less than 400ft. Is this normal in JetStar? What are the JQ stabilised approach criteria regarding flap?



Of course, it's always possible, even probable, that the halfwit, semi-literate "journalist" who wrote the article has the facts wrong.

Larger jet aircraft will get a gear warning at 800ft rad alt (on approach)regardless of flap position if the gear is not down a locked.

Quote "Are you suggesting it is standard practice to flout the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003?"

Not at all. I am questioning that it really happened at all.

What's the big fuss about anyway?

They were more than 10 times higher than the landing gear / go round thrust incident at tullamarine 2007.

Billyt - There was a previous incident where it was unable to be keep inhouse & sorted. See the ATSB report on tullamarine in 2007.

Besides, are you implying it should have been resolved between the flightdeck crew only, the airline only or discretly by the ATSB so the travelling public is left in the dark.

The very idea that
is what is leaving me a little bemused.

is a reportable matter as required under the Act. Once the report is submitted to the ATSB, as required, it becomes a matter of public record.

Previous incidents would seem to give credence to the notion that "keeping it in house and sorted" is indeed the prevailing attitude.

Brutus, as the name implies maybe a bit brutal..... Otherwise next time someone farts on the flight deck that would be a 225 as it can also be a little incapacitating and therefore immediately reportable!

I am sure the intent of that post that got your attention was meant to allude to a most likely innocent error of leaving the phone on and receiving a text on approach. Regardless of why and how now, I guess now that it is news we will have to wait for the report and a possible outcome of a career ending instead of a career adjusted for the better, that is the sad part. We are human and that requires a humane outcome.......

Discipline in the cockpit is not innate, it is acquired from your fellow mentors. Errors are made on every sector, it is how we deal with those errors that separates our profession from most others. I give them the benefit of the doubt as fellow pilots and wish them a sensible outcome.

The event itself doesn't really interest me t_cas, as you pointed out, it's most likely human error. That sort of thing happens every day.

What I was hoping to explore was the idea of "keeping it in house."

Perhaps..
 

........he was receiving instructions on how to land.

Sounds like journos on the prowl here....

It's quite obvious what happened. Airbus have developed an A320 App for the iPhone. The pilot was simply selecting Gear Down using this App. What's the problem?

A le ronda,

Point taken, as I understand, the Boeing apps are a little behind the airbus ones so I am a little frustrated!

Keep it nice......

It amazes me that most everybody , on this thread so far, has actually accepted the press bull$#*t report of pilot texting before the go around. Presumed to have been caused by a configuration warning that the press has diagnosed as not having selected gear down for landing. It has made headlines and national news on TV:ugh: