Oils aint Oils my friend
 

"Opening the doors from the inside while armed will blow the slide ( obviously )
Opening from the outside will disarm the slide if left armed and thus prevent and accidental activation."

Hey Nitpicker330... better learn your door systems buddy. Opening the 717 door from the outside does not disarm the slide and many other airliners are the same ;)

Yeah I was talking about big planes, not those Tonka Toyz you boys drive!!

Still, if they left the door opening and closing to the ground staff the FA wouldn't have fallen out would she?

Mmm

At least we do drive them...:E

and here I was thinking the B737 was same cat as 717??

And atm if anyone wants to go to AYQ, they got no choice but to go QF/NJS. Good to see you guys are operating unity....or not.

P.S. Nitpicker, if I worked @ QF, I would put my size 12 fair dinkum where the sun don't shine when it comes to your attitude.

High-bypass

Not any more; the rumour is VB is starting a daily SYD-AYQ service in August.

Hey Nitpicker, I was playing nicely, but you're obviously a tosser!

FYI - I don't fly em, I fix em and I've fixed everything up to and including 747's

I reckon you should get yourself into Air Safety Investigation... you're a natural :}

Hey settle it was meant tongue in cheek................sorry if I offended.:ok:

I'd actually like to fly a 717 or 73 around Oz again, I think you've got a nice gig and given half a chance I'd swap jobs any day. Although multple 5 sector days might wear a little thin after a while.:)

back to the topic now.........

Careful Nit, those charter boys are a bit sensitive :}

I haven't ever done one of those.
3 is the normal maximum with 2 being standard 9 -11 days a month.

Regardless of anything else - DON'T BLOODY MOVE THE STAIRS UNTIL THE DOOR IS CLOSED!

Its not Uluru,Its Farking AYERS ROCK.!!!!!!politicly sensitve wa%^$#s

qf policy not to open a door without correct stand or steps in place.
No guarantee the stairs were correct/serviceable and the door could not be closed wthout moving them.Hard enough to get correct equipment in YSSY let alone in the boonies.Maybe just an honest mistake.

I hope the FA is ok, anyone heard lately?

The stairs were 100% serviceable.
The door wasn't opened until the stairs were in place, although the 717 is not operated by QF so their policy has little relevance to what the CC did, however QF policy certainly would be reflected in COBHAM policy.
QF policy should have been followd by groundstaff. The stairs were removed whilst the door was still open, it really is quite simple. It was a mistake.

The CC is OK considering. More tests to determine the longer term outcome.

thanks renurpp for the background info.Glad the f/a is ok.Could have been much worse.

On some aircraft the door CANNOT be closed until the steps are moved.

Some steps require that they are moved to allow the door to be closed.

Yes and for those types, specific SOPs are also in place. We are talking about a B-717 though. I agree with RENURPP in that it was a simple mistake that I have also witnessed on occasion but this time with the unfortunate result that the established procedures were designed to prevent.

And as experience levels continue to decline, it is even more essential that SOPs be followed to prevent this sort of thing. I wonder how many times this has occurred (stairs being removed prematurely) before the incident, and if so why didn't anybody say "hey, what are you doing"?

I suspect though that yet another rule will be created to "fix" the problem. :hmm:

Spot on Bloggsie!
I just read an Qantas safety notice that says the ground crew member is to be on the top of the platform or stairs and witness the door being closed. What they couldn't do that just as easily from the bottom of the stairs?:ugh:
This blameless culture sucks. Everything is at fault except the individual/s that caused the problem.

I'm not privy to any details as to how this accident happened, or who is at fault.

My experience both within and without the aviation industry is that with most cock-ups the individual at the end of the chain is in the spotlight, and this focus is used to absolve those higher up the chain from any shared responsibility, or from doing anything meaningful to prevent a reoccurrence. :sad:

QF doesn't have a 'no blame' framework, we have a 'just culture' framework. There is a subtle but significant difference.

Was this a 737 or a 717? If it was the latter will it be Cobham that looks at how this went pear shaped or will QF safety get involved?