Qantas To The Middle East.Why Not?
 

Dixon often used to complain about the Middle Eastern Airlines and their unfair "advantage".But thats all he did.Complain.
Why Qantas hasnt looked at starting a service to LHR via the Middle East is a mystery.
Some considerations would be:(a) which aircraft(b)landing charges(c)possible loads.
If Emirates and Etihad see merits here why not Qantas?
Qantas flies to less destinations and its unit costs are therefore spread over a smaller network.
Isnt it about time to grow again?

No suitable aircraft, except A380 which is too big.

What about the 777-300ER? , oh i forgot that is old technology. :hmm:

How do you figure that?

Qantas Wise Heads
 

Dont worry the genius' at qantas would have done the numbers and found the establishment of the route impractical.Just like pulling out of SFO and not buying the tripplers.
Damn clever these guys

Simple answer - The QF product just doesn't cut it against the likes of EK.

OR : there is no market to the Middle east?:confused:
I sure as s^%& never want to go there!:eek:
EK and EY LIVE there so of course they link Australia and Europe via the ME.
We are at "the end of the line" and use Singapore to complex all Aussie cities.
To do the same from say Dubai we would need to fly CNS, DRW, BNE, SYD, ADL, MEL, PER to Dubai - not going to happen!:ugh:
I would prefer BKK myself but SIN is it for now!
It means little to 95% of people where their fuel/crew stop is.:zzz:

Totally agree with all of you.. QF missed the boat years ago. Point to point from Australia to ME is pointless. Even to hub onto europe wouldn't work.. It's an over saturated market!

I think QF needs to concentrate on China. Create a new hub through PVG or PEK to europe. Still so much room for added capacity out of China through some of the worlds largest cities.

Come on QF time to start becoming an innovative leader in aviation instead of letting your little sister take the lime light every time.

:ugh:

The Emirates are a huge yield route, over and above the Pacific - BUT - too late she cried.

EK EY and QR have the run by the nuts.

QF are already codesharing on Etihad and are pretty good on pricing and generally cheaper on EY's own product as American are also often cheaper on trans Pacific rat flights.

If QF ran the route on a startup with the logical 3 month lead time, they would need to deploy 2 or 3 744s to the service to make it work.

The logical thing would be an extension into Europe from there.

Initially you would be lucky to grab 10% point to point traffic into and out of the ME and most would be longhaul Aus to UK/Europe through traffic - not where the dollars are. In the current climate it is a revenue black hole tilting at windmills with blades much larger than the Great White Rat can handle.

Six months of predatory discounting which would not be even touchable by the ACCC would put paid to the valiant endeavour and would also reduce yield on other routes into Europe as seats at a lower cost become available due to the extras on the via ME services.

No win for QF, and well left indeed.

Best all

EWL

So Instead....
 

Qantas will use its low cost offshoot Jetstar to pioneer routes out of Vietnam to Europe.

it was anticipated
 

that Qf will go to the Me from the middle of 2010. that was flagged by JH in the ABC interview. As I was told the other day AJ reckons there will be 20 A380 and 5 747ER(reconfigured) by 2015. All the growth will be done by Agent Orange.:ugh:

Which ABC interview?
 

By JH do you mean John Howard?
Which ABC interview was this mentioned?

2 or 3 month
 

ago by james hogan:ok:

Well it will not be foreign passengers using the services if they send JQ into one of the highest disposable income passenger catchments in the world.

The Middle East would be Jetstars Western Front.

Sorry JQ people but you just do not fit the demographic.

Maybe the service would survive with a vast majority of through traffic,but that is a big call too.

Best all

EWL

This question is very easy to answer; Qantas cannot obtain daily rights from a Middle East destination to London. In-order to make the route viable, Qantas requires daily services. In the same way Qantas exited Paris; the inability to be granted daily services.

This is why Qantas has partnered up with Etihad. You will find Qantas may look at services to the Middle East down the track, however the intention is to go all the way to London and this is just not possible at this time.

These are the facts.

ME Beyond Rights
 

Well somebody didnt do their homework when signing off on that bi lateral agreement.No wonder scrotum face was agrieved

Oh so true... underneath that black abaya is the latest haute couture... and none of it is cheap. When the white thawb comes off, it's replaced with the latest and most fashionable jeans, shirts and shoes... with the obligatory Raymond Weil, Louis Monet or just a plain Rolex or Breitling. They drive Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, BMW, Mercedes... and sit in the biggest, softest couch in the cafe bragging about their latest status symbol aquisition... or their recent, expensive, trip to somewhere that affluent, high social status Westerners choose to vacation.

Do you think they are going to buy a seat on Jetstar?

...or on QANTAS?

Jetstar would do better to attempt to break the subcontinental unskilled worker market into the ME.
they probably would be the only ones that would put up with the service.

You obviously have forgotten Captain Dart but Qantas was flying through the Middle East long before Jetstar was even thought of...

What, exactly, did Dixon do over the last few years to defend QF and "it's turf"? Does Qf even carry as many people out of oz now as the ME carriers? I can't see how, when you count EK, etihad, and the ever expanding Qatar. Sure, Qf cannot compete with the on-carriage to the large networks beyond the ME, but what was done to try and carry the pax at least to the ME hubs? An early alliance with EK would've been genius, but why wasn't some forward thinking employed by the extremely highly paid Qf managers to stem the onslaught (an early ETD or QR agreement?) Qf carries them to the ME hub, then the partner from there thru the extensive network beyond.

Too much SY-LHR dinosaur thinking? Where does it leave Qf? Looking like a real one trick (orange) pony, now.