Funbags - Isn't that what I wrote. If a B767 aircraft is retired a pilots POSITION flying that aircraft is no more, but his/her tenure of employment is maintained on another aircraft. Just like the classic crews.

I wouldn't have thought that VR was necessarily apart of any award/EBA. Surely a company can offer redundancy to whomever they like? Aren't they effectively asking if people will surrender their protection/conditions under the EBA in return for a payout?

Can anyone explain why this is the case? I'm not disputing it, just interested as to why it would be cheaper to payout guys who are on much higher salaries (though you obviously reduce your payroll expenditure similarly).

The Long Haul Certified Agreement has a last on first off clause which would require enormous amounts of retraining in the event of redundancies. For example, if the company were to declare redundancies for FO's on the B767, seniority gives that FO the right to displace any junior pilot in any position.

This displacement can occur until that FO is THE MOST JUNIOR PILOT IN THE COMPANY. The time involved in retraining and the cost involved would be not insignificant.

Mr. Oldmeadow, if you are reading this, it would be great to see you attempt to emulate the success of the Kendall management in having this provision of the agreement overturned. You would get to relive 1989 without the resignations. Wouldn't that be fun! Go on, give it a go, I DARE YOU.

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Heard 3rd-hand there's a clause in the last eba (or in the certified agreement) that provides/allows for redundancies that are aircraft type specific, ie, redundancies need not be applied in reverse order of seniority but on redundant fleets.
Anyone know anything about this?

Don't forget the award requires six months notice of redundancy also so we'll have a lot of notice if it's going to go ahead.

Qanchor, I've just read through section 16 of the award which covers reductions in numbers in a category in Sydney and it doesn't look like that is possible. I admit I'm no expert when it comes to our award so I may not be 100% accurate.

Well, the reduction in numbers clause specifically refers to Sydney based crew, so I wonder whether they could use that to the disadvantage of the other basings?

In any case if you're Sydney based and affected by reduction in numbers, it's reasonably clear that you can exercise seniority to displace a more junior crew member "in any category", so effectively this would mean, I assume, that it's not ultimately possible to retrench on type/rank.

Thanx keg & dutch,
Yes was sceptical of this little gem, heard it at the moon bar which probably originally came from the 2nd cousin of a Rocky baggage handler who called his refueller mate in Townsville, then later embellished with a liberal amount of vin rouge.
Would like to pass on sincere thanks and best wishes to those who've been let go from the Training Dept. Sorry to see you go.
Will put money on you guys being asked to come back when it inevitably hots up again.:ok:

Just been told that Air Nuigini wished to extend the 767 charters by another 2 weeks. Can you guess the rest. Yes, Qantas knocked it back because they didnt have enough crew. Why? Because to much leave had been asigned. You have to give it to them. Their good.

Yes, this exact topic has been doing the bar rounds among guys on the line. None of us would be the least bit surprised if they screw it up totally by forcing too many guys onto large chunks of leave just before things pickup a bit. My recent talks with the very people doing this indicated that they are assigning all 767 pilots who have any leave of any sort as much as they can each bid period.

Then they will be frantically making phone calls to beg us to hand it back.

You have to realise that the management of the company through the various different departments is quite dysfunctional. No single department or section communicates properly with any other one. This should surprise no-one.

Plus the flying plan has picked up (slightly) for the 767 from next month.

Surely they only get it back if they buy it?