Where are our experts giving their expert opinions on how V is doomed? This thread has far too many positive posts........

Poor darlings exhausted if less than 50 hours slip, more like "if I can't shop and party for 50 hours then I'll have a hissy fit". Get used to 38 hour slips.

With the Vaus arrival time of 0700 LAX by the time you get to the hotel it will be early AM time back home and the body will be ready to sleep. After a few hours sleep you will be up and about till later that night LAX time. Best time for sleep is from about 0400 LMT LAX and you will sleep through until about 1400 LMT LAX easily. Then up and about for a few hours then off to work at around 2030 LMT LAX.

You will get plenty of sleep in the 2 sleep periods, you will not be exhausted. As soon as Vaus have the aircraft to make it a daily service, you will be on 38 hours slip. There is absolutely no fatigue modeling that will justify otherwise. Get used to long haul flying, its about many time zone changes, sufficient rest to have you safe for the return flight, and nothing else.

Another positive part about it (reducing slip time while in LA-LA-Land), is that you get more time at home base with the people you care for. Win-win:ok:

Mr Wooby - V are daily already and check the flight timings - we arrive 1630 in the arvo into LAX. If it goes to 1 night that will not be a 38hr stay more like 28hrs.

Redjet - true in some respects but then V could squeeze in 5 trips per month instead of the current 4. So at home you would be like a zombie trying to recover from the time zone changes and don't forget reduction in allowances.

Didn't realise Vaus was daily BNE-LAX yet, however Vaus website shows dep BNE1100 LMT arr LAX 0700 LMT, Dep LAX 22:30 LMT arr BNE 0520 LMT. The flt you're talking about is SYD-LAX

I agree that later arrivals into LAX are much harder, QF AKL-LAX typically gets in to LAX around midday, and you are totally buggered. It really depends on sleep periods, you need to get 2 sleep periods, one to get over the flight, then another good rest to prepare for next flight. This would be achieved in a 28 hour slip, but a bit hard on the crew, you be in bed for about 16 hours with a few hours to eat. So SYD slip would probably stay the extra day.

As for squeezing in more flights, if you are on 38 hours slip arrive morning and dep the following evening and sleep as I referred to in my previous post you basically stay on sydney time. The jet lag is minimal and you recover fairly quickly. However, if you have a longer slip and do a bit of sightseeing during the day, prepare to pay the price at home. Basically in LAX, sleep during the day, awake at night.

So, the whining is starting already. Didn't you read your agreement? Didn't you listen when the more experienced crews told you what would happen? Guess you just better get used to it. As for "reconsidering", good time to be doing that right now. NOT!

V Australia and EY have been using the EK gate.

Although a great gate with direct access to the lounge,
It is the furthest gate away!

Mr Wooby...I've been in the industry for quite a few years, but what is this LMT thingy? Is it a secret crew term, or something that is used by VA. It suspiciously looks like local time to me, which for at least the last 20 years that I know of has been what departure and arrival times are displayed as. I could be wrong, though.

What? VOZ has been flying for what, a whole month now? And people are threatening to leave already? Didn't these people realise that flying to LAX and back involved crossing time zones and is exhausting? Gee, the glamour has rubbed off really quickly. If this talk is serious, then VOZ will be burning and churning them real hard. The great T and C's, wouldn't be adding to the supposed problem?

Local Mean Time- Standard Aviation terminology for a lot longer than your "Quite a few years" I assure you!

Maybe. But....LMT was replaced by LST (Local Standard Time) or LT (Local Time) as LMT was in vogue when sundials were used. The use of LMT in this thread is the first time I've seen it used in commercial aviation. Best to stick with LT, DST, GMT or UTC - at least everyone would know what these terms mean.

Now, back to the whingeing and whining from the Pacific Intruders.

LMT is the actual solar (sun) time. Not usually used in normal polite non navigation related conversation.

Usually only used when calculating first/last light. Cabin crew would not normally be expected to understand or need to know how to calculate.

First time I've seen it refered to in any other way, ever!

:confused::confused:

Cheers somewhereat1.

So does the company have a policy of no first class meals to crew? I imagine by the end of the sector that they get turfed anyway...

Early days yet i suppose.

Why would a two-class airline load first class meals for crew? :ugh:

Those airlines that do offer First Class service certainly don't load First Class catering for crew. For those crew "fortunate" enough to eat the scraps, could one be excused for thinking that that would be the best food these scroungers ever get to eat.

Ken, i didn't say they were loading first class meals for crew. I'm asking someone that knows about V australia if the crews are allowed to eat the left over 1 st class meals as is the case in many airlines around the world.

It couldn't be any simpler: why would any airline that offers Business Class and Economy Class load First Class meals for anyone, let alone the crew? :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Mr Hat,

Ken is a little slow on the uptake but I get your point.

They would be unlikely to have any first class meals left over if they don't have a first class cabin..........

Here's your chance Sam. Jump in anytime you wish. :}

Nah KRUSTY old mate, he aint expert, just a psychotic sociopath, or he's one of your many nom de plumes?.....good to see you havent been sledging VA or VB lately, you may need them for a job when the industry picks up..that is if you havent burnt any bridges??:ok:

yep no worries my mistake, didn't realise the cabin configuration - left over business class meals do the get chucked or offered to crew?