I can see where remoak is coming from, though I dont agree with all his opinions....however, while ever our Kiwi bretheren are prepared to work for low pay and conditions, this will only continue.

89 89 89 89 89 89 89898989 80f**********99999!
 

Thats another reason I prefer to leave NZ every winter and fly in Europe (its summer over there) every year.:ok::ok:

The sooner 89 is buried the better. It is a cancer that permeates Australian and NZ aviation.:uhoh:

Remoak #57 - I concur!!

Mich, In a round about way you have answered the question yourself re how Jetconnect will be operating VH aircraft. Come June they will be International Ops only. It follows that they too will be able to operate both VH & ZK just as Pac Blue do. Also heard they will be cycling aircraft through Oz for maintainance.
With no more ops to CHC they will need a new maintainance base!
I have still not heard any rumours of unions stopping anything. Only stumbling block is NZ CAA's archaic practices! Still as people change so do the rules!

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!:ok:

Wideglider.

Fruet Mich

I didn't say that modern aircraft ARE low risk, I said that they are PERCEIVED as low risk by those outside the industry (ie pax). You and I know differently, but the airlines and aircraft manufacturers have done such a good job of convincing the public of the safety of air travel, that most people see it as no more risky than catching the double decker to Picadilly Circus.

They didn't so much have their pay cut, as their jobs removed from them. Not so much architects, being creative people their main stock-in-trade is ideas, which are worth whatever people will pay for them.

Maybe when you calm down and return to the planet that the rest of us live on, you will be able to read what I wrote - carefully - and understand better what was written!

Sand dune Sam
Not my opinions... perception.

PegasusFury

It will never, ever happen. Aussies hang on their bitterness until they die. Probably not helped by the dawning realisation that they basically did it to themselves - having been comprehensively outsmarted by Abeles and Hawke (and others).

Ansett NZ story isn't much different in that regard.

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Remoak
- 89 is another reason why I DONT FLY in Oz or NZ.
- I am good enough to fly for many carriers in Europe, but not good enough for
any Oz or NZ carrier.
- How many of you have been told "I only hire men I know from the past" ie. my
89 mates.:bored:

hey, I hear you!

Flying in Europe is fun though, far more interesting and better money. I've been doing the contract gig over there, and apart from the long commute, it's a pretty good life.

Oh how I wish I had access to an EU passport! I for one, am one generation too far removed to be grandfathered a British passport.
Not everyones got that luxury fellas.

Was just talking to a mate who was interviewed for a cmd position, and he was offered either auckland or christchurch as a base. I thought they were keeping the christchurch base with the oz conditions???? He also said alot of the jetconnect capts from the recently closed christchurch base are very interested, especially with the mention and offers of a base down there...
Was also told most of the f/o positions are to be filled by kiwis coming from the turbo prop operators throughout NZ.

Have also heard of guys being offered Christchurch as a base. I would imagine these will be very popular with the Jetconnect guys from CH who have been told to move to Akl???

Hi Fruet

"According to an earlier post a manly ferry deck hand earns 75K, so I'm guessing a ferry capt would be paid a substancial amount more."

From the horses mouth (ie an ex Manly ferry skipper) they earn around $130,000 pa plus overtime with 10 weeks annual leave. The staff travel is excellent too (as long as you travel by ferry!)

Latest to hand... Further to the pathetic wages, the pilots have to fork out for Jepps, medical and uniform.

What a deal :yuk:

Same as the tiger airways deal, and except for the uniform, the same as the oz setup I believe as well.......

Has anyone got the contact details for Jetstar NZ!!?? I really need to put an application foward! I need to feed my family some lentils, All you guys out there, know me before you judge me. I just spoke to my wife, she's an accountant, and she reckons If I don't fork out $45k, pay for my jepps, medical and uniform I'd be a bloody idiot and she'll leave me because at least $65kNZD will top up the lentals each week. I told her I could earn more on the Manly ferry as a deck hand, but she had an issue with Manly ferrys over Jets? something about my old fella? Whats up with that? Please guys I'm desperate!!

How long do you think it will be before instructing pays more than Jetstar? :ok:

remoak..in the UAE, instructing DOES pay more than Jetstar!!

are we talking aerobics instructor or flight instructor?

Most flying instructors get given a uniform though.

Mmmm... spandex! :ok:

I seriously reakon when they work out these 'conditions' they sit around the table and go - nah go less than that...nah less - lets see how low we can go, people will still apply. Sadly I reakon they could offer 45K and people would still apply! I'd put money on them still having more applicants than positions!

Perhaps we'll go like GA - pay for your endorsement and hang around the airport and we'll give you a trial - then we might put you on casually! It's a bastard sweeping the hanger at an airline though! :P

I guess it's closing the gap in wages between pilots and other jobs in the transport industry such as forklift/bus/train/ferry drivers!

Puff...sadly the gap is widening...

Compared to the gigs you listed you'd find a Jet Star NZ fo is worse off in every case especially after being scamed 50kNZ+ for an A320 ticket. Do the #'s on it, they are sh:{t. Paying for interviews and maintain jeppensen charts at individuals expense (surely the operators responsibility) is disgraceful and representative of corporate greed bordering extreme.

We'll be back loading bags and checking in our pax next! Na won't happen boys and girls. When the world economy is on track again and the pilot shortage is worse than ever Jet* will be in the crap when all their experienced A320 pilots ditch them for a more in line industry standard paying gig. Their smart thinking and smug smiling will have an adverse affect and bite them in the arse in the long run. It will happen, Happened to Jetconnect and nearly shut them down. Management are always short sighted. Always look at the current cost saving and not the future of the company. Can't wait, I'll laugh my tits off! Man boobs that is.