I am not a LAME, I am an AME and I was required to present my trade papers today. I pi$$ed myself laughing at the form I had to fill in. Along the lines of:-

"I declare that I have not certified as a LAME...."

Hmmmm... now if I were dumb enough to lie about being a LAME, what would suddenly cause my conscience to kick in and tell the truth on this pi$$ant form?

What I want to know is when are they going to crack down on the GENUINE LAME's who are clearly incompetent?

(not that I currently work with any but I have come across them!)

BrissySparkyCoit

If they start sacking all the imposters, there will no one left to sign for the aircraft...

Precisely, what's the bet CASA and QE dont want to even consider this question. I am guessing they would have to go back and verify that EVERY signature certifying for maintenance was legit. Imagine the time that would take.:sad:

I'm wondering if anyone has checked the qualifications of QE QA staff, seems to me they have been asleep at the wheel on this one.:zzz:

By the way, what was the wash up with this guy, was he sacked? did he have basics or type course?

Socket has hit the spot.
Check the requirements needed to hold a certificate of approval in CAO 104.0 Appendix II. 4. (g) and the read the note. Then ask management what is the percentage of LAMEs (or how many) in the QA department. What value would an audit of a sheet metal shop be if an avionic person or an academic did it? Horses for courses.

brissy sparky coit
nice last comment.....no go back to ur little brisbane heavymaint ****hole--
the great center of excellance ... IDIOT--- AND LOOK FWD TO BEING AN AME FOR LIFE --with that **** ass gen y attitude

Oh dear SOF. I'd love to satisfy you by saying that my last comment is a view held by myself only. Unfortunately for you, the majority of LAME's I work with are a great deal older than I am and many hold a similar view. Why are you so angry?

Have a beer and a good sleep and I hope you feel better tomorow.

SOF, unfortunately all LAME's are not cut from the same cloth, some are just real good at passing exams, thats all. I know quite a few 5 cat drop kicks.

Coit, there are also a ***** load of AME's out there who think they know it all, and/or have huge anti LAME chips on their shoulders. This is especially true of a few very senior AME's. One has to ask, if they are all that good why dont they get licenced up?

Bottom line, glass houses - :=stones.

Pardon my ignorance, but, WTF is a "very senior AME"?

I know they have a grading system at QF, it might look like a seniority system but how does someone with no authority over anyone become a very senior ame?

One purple stripe is still one purple stripe.

senior as in age or time in the industry.

The word 'senior' doesnt have to equate with authority.

here we go AME vs LAME .....dont you forget quite quickly that you were once a AME at some stage and probably thought you knew it all as well... funny how that gets forgotten!!:mad:.

Basics
 

Do not forget the basic fact -

Every LAME is only a licensed AME.

UNITED WE STAND - DIVIDED WE FALL!

Let's get back to the issue of what management had deliberately done to QE and their competence.

Hear, hear ... Well said.

Actually...

If you were to nit pick, you don't need to be a qualified AME (you kow do you apprenticeship, gain the required skills and knowledge) to become a LAME.

There a quite a few LAME's in Qantas who never did an apprenticeship, just did 10 basics and with a bit of good timing ended up on a company course.

How about those imposters ?

Thats a bit big to sweep under the rug now isn't it.

600ft-lb;

Big call on above. There are also alot of us ex - snorks still around that have done the hard yards!

Please dont paint us with the same brush as the imposters!

BIG call
I know 4 motor mechanics, 2 sheeties, 1 fiberglass, and a pastry chef all lames and all have served apprenticeships, not at qantas but in there trades and all got a course before you.

dont you know all promotions at qantas are merit based
dont be bitter because you did not make the cut

P.S. you need 11 basics to sit a type course

If I, as a former apprentice AME, former AME and a current LAME were to pull up stumps go to Bakers Delight for a job.. for example, I pass on my CV and point out that I was a very good apprentice, great marks at padstow, good attendance record, did well at alexandria, great reports from all the crews I was on, became a qualified AME then did 10 meaningless aircraft mechanical theory exams and 1 air legislation exam, did obscure mechanical flying device type courses gained a license from CASA, worked hard on those cold night shifts doing engine changes and unblocking ****ters do you really think would they employ me as a baker ? I don't think they would some how.

Yet a baker, from Bakers Delight can bluff his way into Qantas by padding his resume to make it seem he's somewhat mechanically capable. Fumble around for a few months until he blends in well enough (which was more then easy in the old Qantas), figure out that he has to sit 10 basics to be considered for a course, sit those exams and put his name at the end of a list, as it once was in Qantas.

Countless exmaples exist, who remembers the debacle of the South African recruitment drive.. oh there is some stories there of people that Qantas PAID for relocation and organised residency permits for in Australia yet had never touched a plane until they walked on board the QF 744 that took them to Sydney.

So who are the imposters ?

I'm not saying that all outsiders are useless and all internally trained are perfect but Qantas has hardly been one to address standards in the past for their workforce. Is it any suprise now on what is coming out in the wash at the moment.

PS
you only need to sit the 3 core exams BA BB BC and the applicable airframe/engine exams to sit a course GG GH for engine and the rest of the alphabet for airframe. AA only needs to be sat prior to applying for the license... but of course you should know that domo. got any cakes ?

600ft-lb, this is what I was getting at. I am glad YOU kept a level head about it. Cheers

Lets not forget Level 5 146 and Fokker lames

600ft-lbs said
domo said
600ft-lbs said

So we agree that you need 11 basics. I believe all lames served an apprenticeship in some trade. You unblock toilets and fit engines well you cant be from sydney then.

P.S. the pastry chef was an inhouse joke and I should not have used it, sorry cj

Domo, what do you think happens in Sydney?

I think he means that if you work in SYD then the same people that unblock toilets aren't the same ones that change the engines.:cool:

That said, if you work anywhere else but SYD then you won't be doing either. :uhoh:

N

In Sydney (Base), Cabin Interior would be unblocking toilets.....
Base Servicing crews would be changing engines....

Nepotism
 

With the emoticon obviously a piss take! (hopefully):ok:

Having said that there are some in SYD that believe that anything remotely important aircraft maintenance wise only ever happens in SYD.:ugh:

Before this gets out of hand, what is being said is.
We all do what needs to be done in the ground time avail
and with equipment / spares avail.
The complaint is that there are some individuals in some stations
who do not pull their weight, do not earn their wage,
wouldn't work in an iron lung.
We all know them and the overall percentage is very low.

Please don't take me seriously, just a bit of good natured ribbing.;)

All the guys involved in keeping them serviceable do a great job no matter where they are based. :ok::ok::ok:

poor QE
 

You wake up!
 

Wow big comments from a 26 year old world experienced LAME (still in nappies). Perhaps you should wake and earn your stripes before making such comments as a 2 posted probationary ppruner!

aus01



Who's bickering and having a shot at others......d!ckhe@d

Aus01. Thankyou for your constructive comments. Good to see you contributing meaningful discussion. Now please troll elsewhere.

Hmmmm PERuNe?.........

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Increased!!
 

We all know them and the overall percentage is very low

It has actually increased, 12 Operations Managers...
It long overdue, time a managerial shake up, send the RH DH TD KM GH of this world somewhere else, the mis management and loss in real dollars figures is ridiculous!
The A380 introduction a joke, the A330 licence coverage an even bigger one....but like all LAME's we get on with trying to keep the fleet safe - no matter how dangerous some of the aircraft return from overseas maintenance, with major defects, we just fix it all and move on. No recognition, no thanks, just management ducking for cover...
QF engineering is a far cry from what it was and what it was capable of doing, now its a barest of all operations, with limited resources and capabilities

Thats just great!! They cut down on manpower and overtime, then employ more managers. When will these guys ever learn. Too many cooks spoil the broth (especially when they cant cook). Its time for them all to go, and let us get back to the basics. Things are not improving.

This is old history re-visited. We tried this with the 744 crews and it didnt work. We tried to tell them the A380 crews would not work and they would not listen. This is just empire building, incompetance and un-accountability. People too proud to admit mistakes and move on. Unfortunately later, rather than sooner, things will change.

Just remember the Part Timers. QF Syd will all be part timers soon. you watch. I am glad nothing has changed since I left many moons ago!

Buzzy unless you have something worthwhile to contribute piss off, troll

Big thread drift...

I fail to see the similarity between the introduction of the 744 and the A380.
The 744 crews were started to maintain continuity of recurrent defects while the fleet was small. It was about learning to trouble shoot the digital disaster...
The 744 crew worked with and along side the other servicing crews until 90% of servicing crews had their own coverage and the 744 crews were dispersed.
Every one was brought up to speed the "old way", by passing on what we have learned so that we save our peers making the same time wasting mistakes. These days its called CRM and needs to be taught but that is another thread all together.

The A380 introduction is a new aircraft, new system of maintenance, new e-log, e-maintenance (marlin etc)and not 1 person outside the A380 bubble has been shown yet alone trained in any of the new systems.

The (legacy) base maint engineers have been so fire walled away from the introduction of the A380 that if the "biosphere" that is hangar 96 were to need backup due to any shortage of skills or manpower as the fleet expands, no one would be able to even assist as it requires a 14 day Gen Fam course to even look at the behemoth yet alone come up to speed on the system of maint.

Will be interesting to see what happens as Base and Team A380 compete for the same manpower in what is left in the job market of available engineers.
Both want an extra 50 heads rather than pool their manpower :}
:ugh:
It will be interesting to see which clown wins the tug-of-war

Sure thing Hempy!

Interestingly, I note your contribution to this thread has been nil. (Aside, of course, from telling me to pi55 off.)

Anyhoooo

I've had my say, the individual concerned has been dealt with appropriately.

As I said, he should not have been given a second chance when "caught out" during his apprenticeship. The other eight pages of this thread are about trying to lay blame with QF management and to somehow make this clown out to be the victim.

Do the crime (twice) pay the time and move on. Don't waste 8 pages blaming "the system"

Face it, a crook will deceive ANY system, so stop your bleating and worry about why your jobs are disappearing around your ears!

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I have finally read the entire thread. "Smasher" was a very interesting engineer. He had done all his basic's, plus a JTP course, and was trying to do AA back in 2002 when I had worked with him. He really didnt like to work and hated snorks. He also thought he was above everyone else. I wonder how many more AME's are going to be caught out. Time will tell. But with Management as they were back in 2002 when I left nothing has changed and are trying to divide that huge wedge down the middle. I remember back then when they were trying to get the Airbus and Boeing crews going. I just feel for the poor apprentices that really have no chance at all. I am glad I got out of QF and enjoy my time in GA.

Eng Aus
 

Sorry to be a pedant old son but he definitely did a QF B767 course.

Thats cool, I just remember him saying that he had done the JTP.

He had also done a JTP 767 Eng/Af l. Don't know which was done first.