Doris

Wrong time of the year for you to talk about airlines failing.
Give up on Ansett you said thing.
It was a long time ago and some just can't give up on the past.
Drink up on that bottle of gin on Monday night and enjoy.

Tiger Airways isn't Ansett Australia.

Hell, even put that Hostie uniform on at 5 am on Monday morning, like you have for the past 8 years.

God bless you Princess.

So any more on Tiger pulling the pin on Adelaide? Maybe they will take the aircraft from there and use them to start a new base??? Adelaide really is the backwater of Aussie aviation hey!
SN

SN its the backwater of Australia in every way possible, Tasmania has more going for it, at least they make decent beer is Tassie.:ok:

ADL hasn't got a good record for Crew bases.

Jetstar
Qlink
Tiger

All started then left if my memory serves me correct.

So you are left with

Alliance
Rex

Wonder if VB will ever have a go?

Seems like they haven't finished trying everything else first!

Looks like Tiger has found a new goldmine- Cairns

SN its a possibility. There is no benefit in crewing in Adelaide when it can be done from Melbourne. ADL-SYD can be crewed from Melbourne as what ADL-ASP/HBA flights were up until a few months ago. But their deal with the SA Government might prevent this.

My Bet is if any of the 4 is going to go under it's gonna be Tiger, financially they are in their deathbed, keep bleeding how long can they lose blood?
As long as their founders can continue to dish out pathetic returns for the investors thats the truth. Lets see how long the Singa masters can endure losses! haha!

Hmm...last time I checked the company had wiped most of its debts, has two profitable companies as of this date, raised 200m recently.

There is no blood to lose unless another carrier comes to town like AirAsia.

They ain't here to make a profit. They're here to annoy the crap out of QF.

Don't hold your breath waiting for them to bleed out. The only reason Tiger are here is to ratlle the Rat due to its foray into Tiger country with JQ. Pure and simple. SQ have some depth to their money tin and are quite happy to play some games in AUS while QF poke around in their Asian backyard.
Remember - " It's all a game. A very serious game, but all a game".

I think SQ realise they are a lost cause when long range aircraft bypass their pathetic country. They are trying to weasel out other revenues while they realise their own model is dead, SIN is a backwater it is all Middle East these days. I would love to see SQ survive without passengers, Singaporeans are less than a 1% of total pax on their airline.

You are going to turn blue !

We can't lose face can we.....

When Tiger announced a tie up with TG there was an uproar in Thailand (still is)........ the Thai people don't like it for some reason, and NOK the low cost model part owned by TG wanted nothing to do with it, possibly something to do with an ousted ex Thai prime minister. Thaksin who sold his Thai phone company (tax free) to a Singaporean company called Tesamek run by the Singaporean prime ministers wife at the time... (who departed soon after the deal was done.)

For me Singabore looks great at 35000 ft, you can see everything in a couple seconds, settle back and think about how many dollars plus plus you have saved by sitting on your wallet with a beautiful sunset view.......

Aircraft #10 goes on line here in December. Seems the show is still on the road.
SN

There will still be a need for hubs unless these long range aircraft can be filled up with point to point passengers. Possible on SYD - LHR. But Adelaide - Bombay, Perth - Athens, Melbourne - Chang Mai ? I doubt it and these are all easily available through Singapore.

The Middle East hubs are the best positioned but some routes will still be shorter via Singapore. On some routes there will be direct competition with little if any time advantage. Some people will prefer to fly SQ and some will prefer EK. SQ still haven't resorted to deep discounting, their fares are usually among the highest, as are their load factors and their profits.

Singapore is hardly a backwater, being positioned in the fastest growing region on earth. Remember this tiny country was bailing out the rest of the world during the financial crisis.

Three and a half million citizens, one and a half million foreigners. No natural resources, can't produce enough food or water for the population yet;

1. Eleventh largest foreign exchange reserves in the world. Foreign exchange reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Set to be the fastest growing economy in the world in 2010 Channel NewsAsia - Singapore set to be world's fastest-growing economy in 2010 - channelnewsasia.com

3. Highest number of millionaires per capita in the world We Are Wealthier Than Switzerland | Salary.sg - Your Salary in Singapore

These guys must be quite smart to have done all this with so little, don't write them off just yet. :rolleyes:

Yes and no, in many cases they were bailing out themselves crying foul. Having said that SQ is in good shape on the routes that you discussed to the Middle East. When I lived in Singapore it doesn't take long to work out that the media in Singapore is government controlled, it always paints rosy economic pictures about itself.

From the aviation perspective Singapore has done a fantastic job with infrastructure, terrific airport and maintenance facilities but these days has become very expensive for some airline operations.

As I see it, Thailand is a much more viable situation for JQ say BKK/VTBS as a base for direct services to Europe, The Middle East & Northern Asian ports. There is Talk the old DMK (Don Meaung) still operational may open up again to a limited amount of international flights based the LCC factor... (a strong rumour unconfirmed)

Back to TGW trying to team up with TG for a low cost operation is probably a good concept as Thailand does offer more lucrative traffic rights to other destinations, the problem is Thai Air Asia and Air Asia are well established making it difficult for TGW to establish itself as well. If Tiger are bleeding in Australia as has been suggested then I wonder if the start up costs for their Thai adventure will make them bleed even more?

Chiang Mai CNX is a very underutilised airport and reasonably well equipped to handle JQs proposed long haul flights onward, I am sure that the Thai government would welcome JQ with open arms.

If it is JQs intention to set up bases in S E Asia I believe Thailand would provide better value for money live in expenses for relocated crews if paid the proposed Singapore package. (talked about elsewhere on these pages) I say this as I think many pax flying to Europe would prefer the stop in SE Asia a little further down the road than SIN. From what I hear long haul passengers prefer the 9 hour flight to BKK ex SYD or MEL than the shorter haul to SIN as it makes the connecting leg to Europe a much longer flight.

My example is based when QF re routed QF5/6 from via BKK to via SIN extending the flight hours on the leg to FRK.

Not long after this move EK 418/9 picked up the slack DBX via BKK direct to SYD - NZ now daily events with high load factors.. At the time QF stated that there was not enough traffic via BKK and better to consolidate Singapore as the major hub for all QF flights. I am not convinced to this day QF made the right move regarding BKK.

Having said all of the above, I believe that JQ is better positioned than TGW to quickly establish itself as a major player in S E Asia. Trust that JQ consider the value of their existing Tech/CCs who I believe have directly helped J* be so successful.

Singapore would be a more attractive place for western crews to live compared to Thailand. Less of a culture shock, better infrastructure, political stability, lack of corruption, use of English, quality education and health care etc. As long as the pay package reflects the high cost of living.

Changi Airport just needs to price itself competatively bearing in mind the Singapore approach of "Better where we can't be cheaper and cheaper where we can't be better"

Don't confuse the business plans of the ME carriers and that of SQ/Tiger.
The heavily subsidized ME carriers have created a lot of Aus-Europe traffic, helped along by the strong A$.

The Australian had a great article yesterday on the Chindia economic revolution and Australia's dependence on it. That's the market that SQ is poised to tap. JQ to Buchanan's credit is also trying to do this, but will probably be stopped by the myopic attitude of Australian organized labour.

No doubt we will argue and fight using our Euro-centric logic that for some reason we deserve European/American wages, when our economy is dependent on Asia and all our competitors are based there.

I'm glad my kids are not in aviation, sadly Australian aviation is probably headed the way of Carreier Pigeon.

Well Roo if Australian wages followed this pilots, Tiger Aussie salaries would be hugely increased! They are by any yardstick (for a first-world airline) appalling. On a global basis Tiger and JG pilot salaries are rotten.

And all our competitors in Asia?

I don't understand why people always assume Asian salaries are low. It just isn't correct.

However I too am glad my kids aren't in aviation, there are too many "smart" managers trying to cut terms and conditions and too many pilots who allow it to happen that it's just not a career that's worth it.

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Be interested in the progress, with the belief

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May have something to do with the image problem.