Where is the AFAP ?!
 

IF I were a REX pilot, I would be outraged at the slur cast upon you all by the media, which is being fed this bullsh!t from management. I was almost sick last night listening to channel ten commentators all but blame pilots for throwing regional australia into disarray (see, I can do it too!).
To say that services are being cancelled because pilots are calling in sick, and that other airlines are "poaching" your staff is despicable. The AFAP should be in there DEMANDING that management apologise to the pilots for the light they have cast them in, and to start standing up and taking account for their own actions in letting staff numbers dwindle to what they are.

AFAP.... grow some kahunas and stand up for someone OTHER than management for once!!!

They used to have a pair - a few years back. But old man Hawke cut 'em off... :eek:

The TWU seems really good. They appear to be doing well for the Nat jet pilots.:D

I say scr*w afap and go to twu.

In addition to the work they are doing with nat jet, they also picked every hole there is in the skippers new awa and went out and said that they would be happy to negotiate on behalf of the pilots if they became members.

Actions speak louder then words. TWU is acting, where as afap isnt... when you think about it, they are even speaking up!!!!:ugh:

Lets face it, afap is no more.

Move on boys and girls

LemeL:cool:

Well Lawrie Cox... I reckon Apache has an excellent point. You take 2 weeks wages from me each year and all I get is a $3.95 diary and an aero club membership card so I can be a w*nker at restaurants.

... got anything to say? :ugh:

For a dollar a day the TWU is good value especially when they use the same lawyers as AFAP, Slater and Gordon. And if they are not familiar with what you have going they actually ask for help from professionals in that area.
Instead of being occupied with the history of pilots in their ranks the AFAP should be out there batting for all pilots to make us comparable to our overseas counterparts so we dont have to leave to be respected.
nog not nig

In NSW the TWU won't take pilots.

That's what they told me.

Twice.

If it wasn't for the loss of licence insurance they would be history.

Regards The Dog

Apache::::

Wake up dude.
Your question is right on.

All this negative blame towards the REX management/owners should be addressed to the direct cause.

The AFAP.

What sort of union would allow its members to be payed 34% below the national average.

Thats one farked union......

Something to do with the support that they continue to get from those that choose to be losers, till death, the '89ers.

Something to do with 'not learning from history.'

Sadly REX took the easy option and negotiated with the cheapest option, the AFAP.
Can't blame REX owners.
A union that just wanted recognition.
But they are nothing...

But sorry, they farked you, me and REX (and REX owners).....yet again....

I feel sorry for those getting a base wage of $41.5k at REX.
Maybe REX F/O's find it difficult telling others (outside aviation) when they are asked what their pay is, due to embarrassment.
All things considered.

Have a look at the direct pilot wages 20 to 15 years ago.

I have dealt with Laurie Cox in the past. Many times.
And Bendo trust me he could not give a fark about pilots...


With the AFAP you only get what you sow .. so to all, just continue to pay your subs.
It is (subs) to some very angry and resentful human beings and nothing for a growing industry.

Am I right......cause I'm not wrong....he he:ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch:

Afaptwu
 

:E All you jokers should get into the TWU. After all, you're only glorified truck drivers, and when Rudd siezes power, old Mumbles is going to make sure that's how you continue to be treated. You're the lowest of the low in Airline ops. Just ask the bag snatcher. Or the sweet young FA down the back. You'll learn one day.:}

What did a SAAB F/O get paid 15 years ago?? I bet it was close to 41,000 dollars, no wonder people are pissed off:ugh:

probably 42000

Where is The Who????

Bendo

Two weeks wages per year equates to about 4% GOTAB.

Your maths is about as accurate as your criticism

Maui

Troubled airline to brief media on schedule failures.

AMID speculation Regional Express is failing to meet schedules and unable to retain pilots, the embattled airline will hold a press conference in Sydney this
morning. Rex has shutdown its West Wyalong service, cut four flights a day between Wagga and Sydney, abandoned the Cooma to Sydney route and cancelled a regional Queensland route just one month after the service was launched.

The company is citing pilot and staff shortages as the reasons behind all the cancellations. Adding to the company's woes was Sunday night's unscheduled landing in Wagga of an Albury flight that was destined for
Sydney. About half an hour into the flight, the Saab was forced to land with engine problems and 34 passengers were forced to catch a bus the rest of the way to Sydney.

On Friday, a regional flight from Sydney to Mudgee was cancelled, and after a two-hour delay, passengers were diverted onto a Dubbo flight, where a
plane would take them the rest of the way to Mudgee.
Rex is expected to discuss pilot shortages, flight suspensions, a pilot cadet scheme and a new pilot training academy at today's press conference.

15 years ago a SAAB F/O was on about 32K.

so allowing for inflation a Saab F/O has had a large pay cut..am I correct?

Have a squizz at what a house costs today vs 15 years ago. And the SAAB FO has had an increase of 10k in 15 years.

Seriously its a joke. It's time for a adjustment across the board.

Damn pilots. If they're not taking sickies or being 'poached' by other airlines they're shutting engines down on us. How they hell are we ever going to make money if they keep shutting down engines on us!

Reminds me of the life of Brian, 'apart from building roads, sewer systems, piping fresh water organising law and order what have the romans ever done for us?'

Damn Pilots.

So in todays terms the wage should be around 60K assuming 3% inflation which we all know is a joke...but that's another argument. AFAP WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!:ugh:
Get into the fight or get out of the way.

Call your AFAP president. Ask him what he is doing about all of this. Ask if he has arranged a press conference to talk about "poaching", the pilot shortage and pilot wages. See what answer you get.