Whatever you've been inhaling, drinking or injecting there 44 Wing you should stop because it is making you delusional!! Multiple PANs and Maydays - yeah right!!! And before you get on your high horse - I worked there and I worked there when it was at its busiest!!! Complex; yeah occasionally but generally only when there was multiple fighter recoveries (during Exercise periods) that wanted individual instrument approaches no MARSA (Why.... because they could) and during the vagaries of the wet season when there were big diversions going on due to WX. The Darwin TMP makes no sense since traffic levels have dwindled over the years..... could it be that the TMP was implemented to guard against the possibility of radar failure? This all singing, all dancing radar that you spruke has had reliability issues over the years due to high heat and humidity, any wonder that AsA don't use the feed if it has proven to be unreliable in the past. Could it be that the RAAF don't want anyone to use their bat and ball because AsA are picking the best players for their team? If you are not an ADF controller 44 Wing, then why be an apologist for that corporation unless you are of course the mouthpiece for 44 Wing!!
For everyone else following this don't jump on the people at the coalface as they are just doing what they are told to do, fortunately for them now there is an alternative to life in blue and they are being actively sought. As a DN SATCO once said to me as I was nearing the end "If you don't like what you are being told to do, then don't be a hypocrite and continue to take the paycheck; resign!!" I DID!!!!

Mean while, the wet season is approaching and we have Class A airspace without radar coverage, procedural departures out of a International airport causing increased costs to the industry, and Airservices throwing bricks at the RAAF, and the RAAF throwing them back at Airservices.

This whole matter should have been resolved within a few days. Its time Minister Vaile got off his backside and fixed it.

coral, that isn't my assertion, I was pointing out the inference made by 44Wing when he(?) wrote

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I am well aware how Airservices makes their cash, I also remember when ASA was a "Public Service" as opposed to a "Government Business Enterprise". Commercialisation, anyone?

44wing
 

What are you smoking (from reading your post on page 1)? There are ex RAAF DN ATC all over the place and I've never heard stuff like your spruiking - too many motivational speeched from WLM methinks. The Pitch Black recoveries were always a frigging strategically mismanaged air show and most if not all of that talent which tactically prevented the aluminium welding (back when DN used to move over 110K pa - now reduced to 80K in 06/07) is with the civil provider in Australia and OS. Celeritas' post (5 above) encapsulates it all quite nicely for all the ex-ADF and DN people I've met.

RAAF DN used to do arrivals outside 30 miles (after years of App doing both on one frequency after ASA left the bulding - looking back at that 0-50 miles era wasn't that a mismanaged bunch of egocentric bollocks!) so give it back to them!

Dudes - chill.

I have heard that the problem with the RAAF radar feeds is caused by ASA insisting on dual paths (read redundancy - I cant wait!) and the RAAF only having single path. Hence the stand off.

Many dollars required to get the Raytheon data gatherer to talk in the same language as the Thales interpreter!

So, will we have radar coverage before the wet season, or will we still watching ASA and the RAAF have a battle of words. What are RAPAC's views of this?

There seems to be a lot of gripes on here reference ATC, my ideal solution would be to have ACO's (GCI by trade) running all the airspace in Australia as we are the tactical wizard's of the airspace game.

My thoughts only.

Cheesy1

I had a very long experience inside the RAAF before moving on. I think I know who will be dragging their heels on this one........and I also doubt they'll care.

cheesyeye - BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:p

Nice one! There are two airfields in this country that spring to mind with somewhat ordinary controlling. One could be forgiven as it is a training center. I'll let you guess what the other one is!:}

Wouldn't want SATC failures running a tower...you ACO's keep the aircraft too close to one another......Fly high now Gooses...:ugh: