The EU bans Indonesian carriers
 

The EU is banning all Indonesian carriers as from Sunday. I wonder if the Australian Govt will show similar courage by imposing a similar ban in the interests of the Australian travelling public? The following article appeared in todays The Australian:

Do they get worse from Sunday?:confused:

Buster...

It would have been worse if the Australian Tax office had been making the decision.

They would have made the ban retrospective from last year.......

Where's EWL when you need him????

Where is EWL??? I was thinking the same thing.

Has he been banned or something?:uhoh: Appears not, last post was 30/4/07.

That is 2 months......very out of character.

SQ

It's the time zone difference.

Absolutely not, that would make us "racist". :rolleyes:

We wouldn't want to upset our trading partner and neighbour...would we?????

I wonder if they would have the same concerns about us?

So Garuda banned after one recent accident but China Airlines not banned after many recent hull losses (last 10 years).

Me thinks its very political. If only the Indo's exported as many computer chips and electronics as the Taiwanese did. Or Koreans.

Besides, Guess which airspace Australian carriers have to fly through to get to Europe. Long doglegs around it.

ABC radio interview this PM advised that none of these airlines, Garuda included, fly to Europe. However this determination is really to advise European travellers against flying on these carriers and to take alternative routes with other carriers if available (eg: to Bali via Singapore not Jakarta). Interesting to see how the OZ government beaurocrats sensitivities will deal with this one!;)

Interesting to see how far backwards on the commercial front Garuda has come over the past 15~20 years. Long / medium haul fleet now just 3 B744 and 6 A330 with a few dozen 737s of various marques making up the balance. No more US, NZ or Europe and much reduced service to Aus and near Asia(Bali problem I guess). Website is slow and crappy as well but probably not such a big deal for Indon outbound customers (or maybe it is and that is part of the problem).

Zapata, that was the 8th ( i think ) hull loss since they've been operating.
Korean and some of the Chinese have already been threatened with: no more A/C and no more insurance if they did'nt fix their lot ( which, to their credit, they did something about )
It's about time somebody did the same with the Indonesians.

Hi Squawk and CL.
I am about, but still recovering from a typical Travel Agent's holiday to Bali.
8 nights Bali and 5 nights Mersey general hospital on return with cellulosis and a flagelate in the blood. Not Balis fault - all mine. A Travel Agents holiday is like a mechanics car - never goes right. Hell of a way to lose 25 kilos.

Flew up and back on GA and they were good as gold. Good straight line stuff I guess but we did have to do one of those scary turny things on the way in to DPS.

As GA had been warned that they were deficient in their procedures,I can only assume that any delay in implimenting protocols has been caused by high ranking officials dodging any implication in the no doubt massive slings of Rupiah or USD's involved in allowing the Airline to avoid the regulations.

It is interesting (and tragic) that the EU also banned TAAG Angolan Airlines from their airspace. TAAG responded by killing at least 6 people in the hull loss of a 732 at M'Banza Congo perhaps confirming EU fears.

Best all
EWL

Quote "So Garuda banned after one recent accident but China Airlines not banned after many recent hull losses (last 10 years)."

I think you will find that CAL has made many changes to improve safety over the last few years including mandatory CRM, and new maintenance contracts with the airline manufacturers. It is very rare that I fly a CAL aircraft with any DD items outstanding unlike my previous airline (euro low cost carrier). As I understand it the Capt in the indonesian 737 incident was told to go around 3 times by the FO but chose to ignore him. This is the sort of thing happening still at several airlines around the world and unfortunately it takes international pressure to change, or a string of accidents as has happened here.

cunning,

Airlines such as Korean and China Airlines have far worse safety records than Garuda in recent history but they belong to countries of strategic importance to western interests.

All,

It might be worth checking out the source documentation at:

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/list_en.htm

This site contains not only the list of currenly sanctioned airlines/operators, but more important, the background on the whole 'banning' process.

Note that the current published list doesn't include Indonesian airlines, though I suspect it is in an annext to legislation, and has yet to be included in the printed list available at the site above.

Note also that airlines have the right to challenge the listing if they believe they are in full compliance with ICAO rules and regulations. I suspect Garuda will be quick to challenge.

How Freudian is that???

WELLCONCERNED's valued post had an ad in its border.

Garuda Indonesia google ad pushing airfares and package accommodation.

I do not know if it appears that way to others but it gave me a grin.

best all.

EWL

China airlines 10 A/C lost, Korean 9,and Garuda 9, whats 1 A/C between friends ?

Not taking into account that both China and Korean would have more of one type than Garudas entire fleet ( eg Korean - 44 x 744 )

Next part of your unsubstantiated argument.............:hmm:

I just put something in the general news forum: EU insurance companies have now announced that your cover is invalid if you use a local Indonesian carrier now. Thus you fly (say) SQ to SIN then CGK and get GA for an onward connection, and any incident is not covered.

Apparantly, travel agents in the EU are asking passengers to sign a declaration tha they will not use Indonesian carriers during their holiday.

Cunning,

Hence my comment "in recent history".

Garuda has a better safety record than Korean or China Airlines (especially when including China's subsidiaries) in recent history.

If you include an airlines entire history then American and United would be amongst the worst but they would never be banned from EU airspace.