Slight tangent, but if the blades were in feather and struck the ground, being composite, would they have broken off or dug in?

Quote RNZAF........When things stop going to plan in ANY aeroplane regardless of size, speed, number of seats etc. I would expect (either as a passenger or pilot) that all crew members were the very best of the bunch put up for selection at the time of their intake. And that the check and training process they had been through should have been as stringent as possible.!!!


Mate...that was well said and nothing short of what we all would expect...your point on the rantings is also accurate....but on this forum mate...look past the smoke,dont take it personal,and if you do...fire shots across the bow...most of it is in zest and fun....have a few x-RNZAF mates as well...always found it easy to pull their chains.....valid points for sure


Sir Pratt....great photo,s mate...must have a few connections.....noticed that side shot,the double layer skin and window designed to protect from ice shedding did a great ob.....I now this layer is designed to protect against ice,what about prop shed???.....flew a metro 3 once,lost the window when the ice shed but the fuselage stayed intact....double layed skin...


Quote Sprocket...."Sir.pratt; As a fare paying pax, I would be expecting the pilot to put it down in the safest possible manner, not the cheapest."

.....that is one of the strangest comments I ever heard :confused:

1279, think you need to get your facts in order as "K" aint that bad and no it was not K that had the strike over tauranga, that was H. :\
Sprocket, I may be wrong but I am sure that the blades are designed to depart from the hub as they did in the event of a wheels up to prevent excess damage to the engine and possibility of digging in.

Debate
 

I think everyone wants to throw their 2 cents in. But at the end of the day the pilots followed their QRH and company procedures (and emergency is hardly the time to deviate from them) They landed that aircraft safely (anyone who watched it on the news pretty much textbook stuff) and no one was injured. So in my mind they did everything correctly. As as far as im concerned one can debate the props feathering non feathering for as long as one likes, but the proof is in the pudding, Aircraft is in remarkably good shape and everyone walked away.

You cant get better than that!!!!

The clowns on the TV news last night called it a crash landing. Crash landings aren't supposed to be as smooth and well done as that are they? I wonder what words they would dredge up for something nasty. Clowns.

"Mumbler" Mossman was flying for Freedom Air last time I spoke to him.

I don't know the other chap.

And the Controller who spotted the absence of wheels is in the land of Oz. :ok:

Cheers

F/O lance became captain lance.. was off sick the last couple of years, recently returned (briefly) but is now in the big sandpit flying for Falcon.

how long to fix Sir Pratt?...if you don't mind me asking..roughly.

Whether or not it is procedure or possible to feather the props in this situation it was disturbing to see the still image with sections of props going in all directions.

It is a distinct concern at the thought of what night have happened if a section of one of the props had pierced the cabin.

any word on wot eagle are going to do in the meantime for a replacement aircraft..I.E delay heavy maintainece or the Vincent boys going to be doing some more work for Eagle??

Some more work, does the charters ever stop. Pics on the staff website showed the blades impacted where they should have- on the reinforced area aroun 2a and 2f, even so they are composite blades and they fuse is probably been designed in such a way that if the props depart as they supposed to in the event, then the chance of the blades going through the side would be very slim. Also thats the whole point of composite materials, they are as sttong as hell but if they depart and hit the fuse they will shatter into smaller pieces, thus makes the even more safe and the fuse better able to take the impact.

Relatively minor damage to the underside of the a/c minus aerials and strakes and flaps etc...

Again a job well done to both crew involved.:ok:

I agree entirely ;)

...with #1AHRS that is

Sir pratt...great stuff mate,and I would say very accurate on our thiughts on repair etc.....for me the damage looks substantial.....the unseen damage lieshen they start pulling the skin off......the spa,s are what concern me....most A/C that have suffered this type of damage never fly the same....no matter how she,s rigged or trimmed ......bets of luck with it

for those of you ranting about the pilots capabilitiy.....unless youve pranged at least 3...like me,,....then bear with me....

Alaska(all on file with the NTSB)

(1)Hit Bull moose,C-207,Sewetkna...1982...major damage,no injuries
(2)Left Main ldg colapse on ldg,C-402,Cordova,minor damage,no injuries,lots of screaming
(3)Hit 10+ Canadian geese on T/O,Twin Otter,,minor injuries,major damage,lost both engines at 50ft,pranged the bitch off the end of the runway .....

.....not proud of this record at all,never had my licenses taken,FAA/NTSB detremined all accidents were...."the cost of doing buisness"

Did I do things right...dont know,dont remember,but do care....Im feckin alive,....so before you judge a bloke,s ability.........be real careful as YOUR day may come sooner than you think....PB

My apology, I should have said looks relatively minor, given what happened to the aircraft. I would not dispute the damage uner the surface but all I was getting at was the fact that given they carried out a wheels up on a sealed runway the damage LOOKS relatively minor...
Does that make people a bit happier. Given the state of the other thread about Eagle I think not.

Doh
 

Always Inverted: Alright "K" aint that bad I suppose. But it isn't regarded as one of the better ones! Apols on getting K muddled with H in TG too. :O. Must be getting old!

Hey, does anyone want a bet how long it'll take before 'D' gets the photos posted here removed?? :hmm:

who cares he's doing a good job:ok: makes for interesting viewing by others who operate the same type.

so any clues on the cause of the mishap.

Toilet Service Door:confused:

Sticky Job:E

SQ

What do you think of these comments

http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4100961a11.html

My thoughts.

You rely on a lawyer for sound judgement when he/she advises you on legal matters.

You rely on an accountant for sound judgement when he/she advises you on financial matters.

You rely on a doctor for sound judgement when he/she advises you on medical matters.

You rely on an an pilot for sound judgement when he/she flies you.

The good doctor should stick with his area of expertise and not criticise the actions of a professional in an area he knows nothing about.

The guy doesn't know his arse from his elbow.....hes probably also an expert in bulls%it as well:hmm: