it can be done!!!

God I hate this :mad: crap!!
To the best of my knowledge, QF and JQ are the only operators in Oz that have their hands tied to reporting departure/arrival times by ACARs.
Having flown for QFlink/NJS for a number of years I can say that on time departures where anything within ( depending on length of sector )15- 20mins of sched dep. time.

What proof that XR departures are'nt the same?
Also, QF and VB have I dont know how many more 1000s of departures/arrivals than XR. How much easier is it to keep 12 a/c in the air versus 50 or 100 a/c :confused: Do XRs a/c average 12 hours a day ala JQ :confused:

Notice that it is all percentages, not one figure mentioned.
Statistics, wot a load of :mad: , they can say whatever you want them to.

Cunning,

Yes QF and VB have alot more departures than XR but they also have alot more people helping get those aircraft out on time.

Its all relative, and thats the reason for STATS. They put it all into perspective. What good would it be if they reported that Skywest had 40 on time departures one day but QF had 1000. Does it mean that QF had a better on time performance than Skywest???? even though QF had 2000 departures in total that day and Skywest only had 50???? ie 50% OT vs 80%. I DON"T THINK SO

I think you'll find there are more Airlines than just QF and Jetstar who follow the correct rules / guidelines when it comes down to reporting on time performance. Maybe you should do some research.....

BTW What is your problem with Skywest? You always seem to be one of the first to jump in and bag them. How about acknowledging the fact that they are one of the better companies when it comes down to T & C's and lifestyle.

Have a look at
http://www.btre.gov.au/statistics/av...otp_month.aspx.
I think you will find that while the 2005 on time report was favourable, something must have happened between then and more recent times which report anything but favourable. March report is 8.1% of all Xr flights cancelled, and 80.9% on time versus industry average of 86%.

Not bagging Skywest actually, plenty of other people have done that re their OTP with KA etc.
As have said repeatedly, with your champion, Dijon Mustard, am against bull:mad: and statements that are absolute crap eg: Skywest will be operating 320s by November 06 being a case in point, everyone who was'nt in fairyland knew it was'nt going to happen
I dont need to go to a govt website to find out that, like I used to, XR and VB etc look at their watches and give a departure time, not an auto downloaded time from the GPS clock........wot, you think someone from the gummint watches all of XR,VB departures to check they are'nt cheating :confused:
They sure as hell did'nt in my 12 years at Q/Link.
It doesn't matter how many people you have, a/c break down and the more you have the more chance you have of break downs.
And hawk me old mate, if qf had 80% of 1000 departures on time they had 800 a/c depart on time V XR 95% of 50 departures = 47 on time departures, a little easier to manage, dont you think?

hawk : dont try getting cunners to come around, hes a known xr bagger...:ugh::ugh:

Of which you'll find many I believe were contract charters that were 'not required' by the companies who originally enlisted them. Yes, they've had their fare share of breakdowns lately, but it's not ALL about 'unreliable performance'.

As to QF's "1000 departures" vs XR... the average age of QF aircraft is a lot less than XR's ... older aircraft of course tend to go tech more often than new ones... no matter the airline!!!

if anyone that fies out of perth at peak times hasn't been stacked 12 deep and ATC not helping been the most conservative in the known world and aircraft all going the same way not helping put your hand up...? This has a big ripple effect on a comany that is flat out would i'd say. When you cop delays at the gate (now 4 operators at the MUDT) then on the holding point then airborne... Just look at the parking of cars at Perth and think that doesn't reflect onto the other side of the fence...?
and that affects all operators on the filed not just XR...
:ugh:

It's no wonder there are delays out of Perth. When the companies allow the accountants to write contracts that insist that 50 departures plan ETDs of 0545-0630 every Mon-Thurs what can we expect. Then lo and behold the clever dudes all want to arrive 0930 in the morning and you blame ATC! Give me a break.

Cluster scheduling is the problem not ATC. Whilst it is nothing new, there are just more of you and the same number of us as there was 15 years ago. The infrastructure at the airport also does not support the traffic growth experienced. Remember the Bomber carpark, well the only thing that has changed since then is the carpark! Same runways, same taxyways, same apron. Brilliant aerodrome when the Kittyhawks were flying! NOt so good now though.

you having a go at accountants now? pppppppppttttttttttfffffffffff

unfortunately contract clients and business people pretty much dictate when they wish to travel. would be nice to have flights later (and sleep in!!!) but no one will be on the seats....

catch 22 i guess.

Exactly, aint no accountants problem. We just make the figures in favour and actually make a profit

You guys telling me the clients are happy to be locked away at 0545 for a 6am departure and wait til the apron is clear of SLF til engine start? Then Le Mans start from the northern apron and the crews get a little put out when they taxy number 31 and get held on the ground for 30 minutes, doesn't sound like economics to me.

Dont know what stories are being told to the clients but it would seem to me that if a flight departed 20 minutes later and did not hold at the holding point for 20 minutes the arrival at the mine would be the same as if it went at 0600 and waited at the HP.

Another problem with cluster scheduling is that the number of miles between number 1 and number 30 needs to be at least 150 (5nm radar standard outside 36 Perth), tower throws them in the air 3 miles apart, TCU needs to stretch them to get 5 and sometimes 10 due to non radar coverage north of 160PH, the delays start to add up. The ATCs do their best within the confines of airspace, sep standards and noise abatement to accommodate everyone, however there is sometimes just not enough space to get everyone where they want to go, when they want to go.

Add Jandakot departures/arrivals (60 per day thru the TMA) and the odd military transit and the picture starts to become clearer. So dont tell me industry cant say to a client, look if we depart 20 minutes later we would arrive at the same time 'cause those nasty ATC types wont need to delay us for the other 30 or so heading the same way. Perhaps i'm dreamin'!

AND if you can't/won't then dont blame me when you are delayed. Old rules of ATC - one on the runway at a time and dont let them hit each other!

Actually, Skysista: the DOTARS statistics are nothing to do with contract charter as they pertain to RPT flights only. Also, Cunning: these stats are as reported by the airline, not as counted by any government department.

Rack'n'Stack, From what I've heard and seen no-one is blaming ATC on the delays due congestion. We understand your doing the best you can despite extreme circumstances. I always thought ground controlling would be easier than Approach/Deps etc but just listening to ground between 0545-0700 I have changed my mind. :D

The delays Skywest are contributing to the congestion are more a reflection on the lack of facilities/space both in the terminal and on the tarmac. You could possibly blame WAC on their lack of foresight in constructing more taxiways, terminals, parking etc but I don't think anyone could have predicted the BOOM was going to affect aviation in WA as much as it has.

For your info, The departure times are based on an aircraft pushing back or taxying off the bay so waiting for 20 mins at the holding point does not affect the on time departure stats. However, one thing the congestion has caused is the inability to tow aircraft to their bays on time, hence a delay.

Please don't take offence, No one is blaming ATC.:ok:

Cheers

Yawn! Next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, is this better,

TO all ATC people - WE SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE IN THE FLOW CONTROLLERS PLAN ALL THE TIME, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT AT THE HOLDING POINT ANYMORE, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET AIRCRAFT AWAY EVERY 15 SECS, WE WANT PRIORITY, WE ARE IMPORTANT, WE...WE....RULE OK! YOU ATC PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE YOUR GRIPES ELSEWHERE, YOU DON'T SEE US PILOTS WHINGING ON PPRUNE DO YOU?



For those that fail to see my humour, it's just a joke.....

BYE

Why can't 2 aircraft push back at the same time and stop at a 45degree angle like they do in ADL? Is this because there isn't enough ramp space behind to do this? Or is it too hard logistically for WAC to implement?

Excusa mee wha dee original Question again ??? :hmm:

Interesting....

Having worked for XR many years ago and l do remember the waiting for our turn to go in the J31 from Delta on 21.

Then in AN on the BAe146 waiting as all the rest of the fleet wanted to leave at the same time and the un-selective push-back sequence.

Now in EK doing 425 and still waiting for departure. The other day it was 35 minutes from push-back to wheels-off from 03.

Not bad in regard to most ports they serve, but then most ports that have a taxi time in excess of 15 minutes have two usable runways that are in excess of 3000m, and a flight time much less than 8 hours and not the 10+ to get to DXB from PER.

halas