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Cool banana 13th Oct 2006 06:41

A Skytrans King Air crash lands in Cairns
 
The Cairns main runway 15 is currently closed due to an Skytrans KingAir nose wheel collapsing on landing.

Torres 13th Oct 2006 07:22

Hardly "a crash"!

I think "incident" would be a more appropriate term - and minor at that!!! :ugh:

Defenestrator 13th Oct 2006 07:41

Was the aircraft damaged? If so it's an accident. But I agree, hardly a crash. Hope it all works out well for the guy/s involved.

Arm out the window 13th Oct 2006 07:41

Must be a Cairns Post journo!:)

Mr.Buzzy 13th Oct 2006 08:14

And still folks insist on no alternate with single runway destinations!

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GW_04 13th Oct 2006 08:33

Well done
 
To the pilot chapy...well done.
Not a nice situation to be in.
Its always nice when incidents have an everybody's OK outcome. :D

G

maui 13th Oct 2006 09:13

Mr Buzzy.
But Q can autoland when things go sour.
Can't they?
I think!
I wonder.
Cant they?
"She'll be right mate we are the Q and we've got GoD on our side. (haven't we?)."

M

J430 13th Oct 2006 09:30

Is he a Journo
 
Hey Wooms, Journo type hype like that should be edited before it gets silly.

Well done to the pilots.

Now as for alternates.......Mareeba and Atherton are close by......:} :} :}

J:ok:

Arm out the window 13th Oct 2006 09:42

Let me know if any 747s are diverting to Atherton, I'll take the esky out and get set up in a good viewing position (not too close).:ooh:

J430 13th Oct 2006 11:29

Diverting YATN
 
Hey Arm out the Window,

Can you get them to hold for half a day, so I can join you:} :E

Good friend of mine would even move the R44 outa the hangar to accomodate them:p

J:ok:

Veruka Salt 13th Oct 2006 11:41

Yeah, but you can't autoland on a closed runway Maui . . . :confused: :confused:

J430 13th Oct 2006 11:49

Why Not
 
They'll get outa the way as you come over the fence:}

J:ok:

Capt Fathom 13th Oct 2006 12:04


Originally Posted by Mr.Buzzy (Post 2905951)
And still folks insist on no alternate with single runway destinations!

What a crock!
Even a Jumbo can land in 4500'.
So given the worst case of a disabled aircraft in the middle of the 10,000' runway, and a Jumbo, having no fuel to hold or divert, still has somewhere to land. (There is also a parallel taxiway at most airports).
You cannot carry fuel for every possible scenario! :ugh:

the wizard of auz 13th Oct 2006 12:10

AAAH, just slip up to Coen. you can eat Mangoes off the airport managers trees while you wait around. :}

The Riddler 13th Oct 2006 13:06


You cannot carry fuel for every possible scenario!
Standard fuel policy of many major airlines includes ALT fuel on every flight. This is for many reasons including the closure of a single runway airfield.

It has always puzzled me as to why QF doesn't carry this fuel.

Once a QF flight passes its DPA (assuming a happy QF Capt who carries flight plan fuel only) then he has no fuel available for diversion.

Imagine the pucker factor when he is told by the tower to go around due to prior landing aircraft being disabled on the only available runway...

Blip 13th Oct 2006 13:19


Originally Posted by The Riddler (Post 2906544)
It has always puzzled me as to why QF doesn't carry this fuel.
Once a QF flight passes its DPA (assuming a happy QF Capt who carries flight plan fuel only) then he has no fuel available for diversion.
Imagine the pucker factor when he is told by the tower to go around due to prior landing aircraft being disabled on the only available runway...

Thankfully many QF captains use their common sense when it comes to single runway destinations and carry diversion fuel anyway, regardless of the company's official policy.

greenslopes 13th Oct 2006 13:54

Geez Capt Fathom with logic like that your my hero!?
Single runway Destination=alternate, no question!
You might be a hero to the Acountant but you would be a fool to the Judge at the inquest.

maui 13th Oct 2006 15:28

Blip

The operative word in your post is "many". If it were "all" one could be reasonably comfortable. Sadly "all" is not appropriate, and one cannot.
As demonstrated twice in the last 18 months.

M

jack red 14th Oct 2006 00:02

Mr Buzzy & The Riddler
 
What airport would you have nominated as your alternate for CNS ?

Ron & Edna Johns 14th Oct 2006 00:20

I can assure you that me and most other QF skippers will be holding YBTL when landing in YBCS, even when it's CAVOK. This is exactly the scenario you do NOT want to be facing on Min Op. That "2nd" runway in Cairns is a tad small, even for the trusty 737...

As for the minority who don't carry necessary diversion fuel, well, I just shake my head and roll my eyes. I can just see the FSO one day: "Due to a recent incident, new policy is blah blah blah......"


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