AWA's for QF
 

Cabin crew applying for an upgrade to Customer Service Manager are now forced to sign individual contract and dump all the provisions of their EBA.

A very worrying trend. When will it start for pilot upgrades?

Bye Bye seniority, bye bye EBA's. Hello those wanting a fast command prepared to risk it all!

Hello? Situation awareness?
This has been coming for nearly 20 years. Individual contracts were brought in by a government of which Kim Beazley was a proud member in 1989. It's now law and is a fact to be dealt with by pilots (and others) with open eyes, not rose coloured glasses. Solidarity is the ONLY answer........look outside the windows and learn.
Best wishes

The problem with AWAs which people don't seem to understand, is not that your first AWA will necessarily be bad financially. It might be every bit as good as the award. But once you're on an AWA it opens a pandora's box for the future. This is not so much an issue with employers who only have a few employees, but it becomes interesting when your employer has 20,000 employees.

AWAs also have far fewer protections than awards. Again probably not a big deal for someone working for a scrupulously honest, reasonable, fair, open, and ethical employer who would never be inclined to shaft you at the drop of a hat. But hell, how many large employers subscribe to those lofty and impractical ideals these days?

Also these individual contracts are NOT the same ones touted by former Governments and the supporting legislation is VERY different.

:suspect: telling info from the short haul "negotiations" yesterday from AIPA showing the company is not prepared to commit in writing a continuation past 90 days for negotiated conditions at the expiration of the proposed EBA - even though the new laws allow - even though the company insists it has no intention of using the new workplace provisions to scrap any agreement after the 90 day expiration:rolleyes:

Any Pilot/FA would be foolish indeed to sign a new EBA or AWA under this cloud of uncertainty...

I guess the main difference between a FA becoming a CSM and say a FO becoming a captain, at the moment anyway, is that the FA must apply and be selected for the position, whilst the FO automatically gets a shot at command on seniority provided he/she has jumped all the proficiency hoops.

Technically the FA is applying for a new job and must be selected from the pack. The FO is upgrading the job he already has. So I can't see AWA's for command just yet. It would be a very provocative move by the company.

Shouldn't be a problem for pilots YET whilst we still have a valid EBA. All upgrades and their conditions are contained in the EBA which at this stage is still binding on the company.
I do however think the music has stopped at the moment and we won't see any seat changes for a while to come, or growth for that matter, particularly with the latest A380 delay.:ouch:

The CSM's are not in fact required to sign AWA's.

The contract of employment the prospective CSM's need to sign is pretty much standard with any 'management' position. The CSM role is unusual, given that it is governed by an EBA, AND is a management role.

The 'contract' the CSM's are having to sign covers the agreement to fulfil the role according to the position description etc, including period of probation in new role, period of notice, and so on.

It doesn't override the EBA requirements.

Yes PAF - we know how you hate dealing in the facts over in Conservative Crazy Land.

They are so..... undeniably inconvenient.

Quick - think up something to divert attention! Uhmm...

Oh I know - TERROR TERROR TERROR!

Ha!

Interesting the comments about CSM and contracts.At the moment the rumour and it is a very strong one at that is that the company is offering the position to AKL crew for a certain pay rise and there will be no other requirements.This makes a mockery of the position in Australia and accounts for the company line that they will not have any problems with more than 130 csm's and css's taking VR...so much for promotion if you are an Australian living in Australia and employed with the "spirit of Australia"..

The other problem with AWA's is that although you as a group of individuals on AWA's can approach your employer to discuss further conditions or situations the employer is under no obligation to sit at the table and negotiate and this is at odds with the governments line...."divide and conquer"...The oldest tactic in the book

7000 Flight attendants.... 2500 pilots.. You sir, are living in la la land.

Qantas isn't interested in individual contracts per se. They are interested in taking unions out of the equation completely. AWA's will be presented on the "take it or leave it" basis. No negotiation will be entered into.

Pass...

When you negotiate with someone you have to have some sort of bargaining power or you will not get much of a bargain.When as an individual you negotiate with a large company what power or leverage do you think you would have...I'll give you a hint...ZERO...ZILCH.... unless you have something the company wants and no one else can give it to them and that is unlikely.

The government is telling us that there is still collective bargaining under AWA's but what they are not telling us is that there is no obligation for the employer to do so.In other words as Cutest is saying this is solely intended to kill off collective bargaining (unions) which is the only way a large company is going to listen to a group representing individuals.

Mr seatback..I have been told that crew in AKL electing to accept the lowest possible wage for a csm or css are in fact being told to sign AWA's.It has not been done yet in Australia but it is only a matter of time especially if anyone wants a promotion