Merged: Overseas Based Jetstar Flight Attendants
 

It would appear that Jetstar International are to employ two hundred Thai based flight attendants. Interesting to see how many Aussies they'll have.

I wonder if its going to get to the stage one day where there are no employees working for the actual qantas group in australia? Just a brand name here, with contracts awarded to wet leasing companies (eg AO - not that its the AO crews fault though) and offshore bases?

"The Spirit Of Australia"

:yuk:

at $12- $15000 p.a each (plus allowances) versus $55 - $70,000 p.a. each (plus allowances) for a current QF F/A who can blame them. :confused:

Ansett International also employed Seol and Taipai based F/A's in their day, yet I do not remember hearing any complaints.

Shortly 'The Spirit of Australia' will be a ghost!

The Spirit of Australia, is precisly what QF is about..... Nothing but a hollow ghost

Do they really pay Thai FAs between 12-15K ++ each?

Great if they do...in fact they are worth more...but even that is a FORTUNE to a young Thai girl.

I heard that the thai FAs working for QF would just move across to JQ INT when their current contracts expire. Maybe that is where the 200 come from...(I also heard that, surprisingly, they must have a degree in something to be considered for a job in the first place!)

i think with jq int start up u will find maybe 60 to 80 f/a's will be australian based and mainly as supervisers or cc managers with the remaining 200-400 comming from various parts of se--asia-

Chimbu

That may well be the case but from other posts recently it would appear that to earn that money they are going to have to do some appalling rosters. Even a good salary in the area shouldn't come at the risk of the health of the employee.

I s'pose we will just have to wait and see if this will actually be the case.

Salary??
 

Asking someone what their salary is is an ignorant question at best, and as if they would give you a correct analysis of this.

Thai based Flight attendants are actually on a better wicket than us in AKL if you would like to know Leane7, but then again you wouldnt know this as you have only been in AKL for 2 mins and never got the pay scale we had at Adecco!!! Contact the union reps and theyll explain the difference, oh but wait, you most probably aernt part of it!!!

Allowances...
 

oh, and if you add their allowances to the equation you will see why they are actually wealthy people within Thailand!!!

They have to have a degree before they are excepted, and those that go to uni in Thailand usually come from a well off family!!!

Take a look at where the thai crew fly...
LHR, FRA, SIN, NRT, HKG, SYD,PER, BNE, MEL, AKL. Then take a look at the allowances paid daily in these ports and youll see they are far away from living in the poverty column of Thailand.

I didn't mean to start a bitch fight girls...or boys:uhoh:

My only point was that we need to keep in my mind what an average young Thai earns...less than half what these girls are making and I am not talking about Bar girls.

To keep it in perspective I pay my Phillipino Amah (maid) AUD400/mth + all found and a ticket home for holidays every year or so and that $400, converted to Pesos, is equivelent to what a Provincial Judge gets paid where she is from. In the first year she, with my encouragement, saved and paid cash for a block of land, while also putting her siblings through school. In two years she'll be able to afford to build a nice house on it...she's 27.

How much would you need to be paid in Australia to afford all that?

I am not saying I agree with QF's policy of hiring young Asian girls but they do...and they are paying them better than what Asian airlines pay their FAs..and given the work ethic of the average Asian women, and what their alternative options are, you will never see them complaining QF works them too hard.

QF Thai Pilots
 

Maybe QF could get some Thai pilots for 40K....gee maybe I should ring Uncle Geoff!:p

for sure give him a call:) but he'll remind you of his 'qantaslink pilots' who are also fairly competitive when your talking such a low amount.

;)

Rumour
 

This has been doing the rounds for awhile......
The AKL base will double in size and the BKK base will either close or all BKK employees will transfer to Jet*.
Apparently building patterns for BKK based crew is inefficient and therefore not cost effective.
There has been a lot of recruiting in AKL lately.
The attrition rate has also been high there.:suspect:

hoss what are you talking about? Qantaslink guys and girls are getting about the same as anyone for flying Dash 8 equipment.
As far as I know their salary has been that level, or near enough to that level, for quite a while.
I don't recall them dropping their salary 1 $
The only jerks work for Jet* they have let the team down big time by flying jets for way less than normal, and buying their endorsement.
It's the Jet* pilots that "bent over" for Mr Dixon.

Thread Title - "Overseas based Jetstar Flight Attendants"

Considering the pay & conditions technical crew accepted, they may feel like they are overseas based too.:8

Hi as a comparison,

one of the inlaws with a degree gets paid 10 000 baht per month for working in a bank. Another works in carrefour for 7000 baht per month.

The average wage according to the Bangkok post last year was 13 500 baht per month, so as stated, the crews will be willing to work hard for the money on offer from Jetstar.

I am pretty sure that all Thai cabin crew, either working overseas, or employed by an overseas carrier but living in Thailand are making more than the average wage in their country.

A senior Thai Airways 744 captain earns in the region of 300 000 baht per month so unlikely they would leave to join Jetstar.

Rgds.

Another comparison

Some here will remember the Vesco battery closedown in Sydney, the plant was moved to Cebu in the Phillippines, the workers there are paid on average
P140 (A$3.58) for an 8 hour day, thats just under 45c per hour.

Just this week we see O'Brian windscreens closed with competition from China which has labour cheaper than the Philippines.

Chimbu
Nice to see you looking after your filipino maid so well, in the P.I the rate is
P2000 a month (A$51.28), you are very generous indeed :-).

Only a small percentage of crew will be Thai based. The majority of crew will be Australians.

...and?
 

You know this how Mike?
I have found with QF that what is true this week is next weeks lie :sad:

Geesh Luv2surf...Time to calm down!

If you are an AKL crew, then there is no point crying hard done by becasue of the 'pitiful' pay you feel you are on. That was the agreement, you knew it before you signed up, you agreed to it, get over it or leave.

There are plenty of other employers around that will work you to the bone for more money. :ugh:

LOA
 

LOA..

I never once complained about the "pitiful" pay we were on in AKL. I simple stated that our pay scale changed when we were taken over by jetconnect and the thai crew are on a good wicket compared to alot of others (Even those that used to fly for UA & NWA were on worse basic salary).

I know i knew the conditions & payscale before joining, and i have never complained reagrding these when i was an initial...What i do complain about is getting a letter in the mail saying "Take it or leave it". Now i know we all love our jobs in AKL, and this is why alot of us stayed! What job will you see the world and have a great time whilst doing it?

I try to live life on the bright side, so if im coming across abruptly, i apologise. With life comes the good and the bad, but when you are constantly burned by a company you give your time and alot of effort to, you can sometimes lose track.

Leane7,
I apologise for my personal attacks at you. I have been reading this site for sometime, and some of the posts you posted were incorrect.I apologise once again, and no i have no idea whom you are within AKL, but im sure i will fly with you.

All the best and stay safe all

Mike...
 

Mike...
This maybe true but how many will be on a flight...
ie out of AKL last period the whole QF25 was AKL based bar the CSM/CSS...

Will they only operate Phuket Melbourne and vice versa or will they operate within the entire Jet* network...i know they will not operate to HNL as they will have a very hard time getting visas!:ugh:

Jetstar Cabin Jobs Thailand
 

just passing through Bangkok(BKK) and noticed display ad in local "Bangkok Post" for local cabin crew for Jetstar:

quote word for word:

"Jetstar Airways, a Qantas Group Airline from Australia will begin flights late this year from the east coast of Australia to international destinations in the Asia Pacific region including Bangkok, Phuket, Osaka, Ho Chi Minh City, Bali and to Honolulu. Jetstar is planning to set up a CREW base in Bangkok and has engaged Tour East (T.E.T) Ltd to recruit Thai nationals for cabin crew positions"

"as a value based airline, Jetstar will offer two classes of service for its international flights. The cabin crew will be responsible for meeting the customer service and comfort needs of passengers (no mention of safety). Crew will be rostered to be away from home for multiple nights, flying to various destinations in the international Jeststar network"

If Jetstar is a "Qantas Group Airline" then are they bound by Australian laws......

Requirements in the ad:

Female minimum 18 years old.......(not allowed under Thai Law to enter a bar until 20 so how can they serve alchohol on an AUSTRALIAN aeroplane)!!!

Male must be 21 years old and have military exemption certificates

Interviews commence near Don Muang airport(BKK) on 24 August.

Well the most probable pay will be about $7,000 Australian dollars per YEAR if they are lucky......yes thats right most probably about $7000 dollars GROSS per annum. Lets double it to $14,000 dollars a year...they will have all the staff from TG applying overnight!!!!!!

By the way, they must be a University graduate.(at 18?????)

not much difference
 

to the current thai crew operating on qf. they get additional travel allowances but their patterns are shocking. everywhere they go they get one night. that can be e.g. bkk-lhr-sin-syd-jnb-syd-bkk or simlar tragic patterns. no wonder they leave in droves, down to 160. where is the faaa and casa on these issues?:ugh:

Boring
 

QCC2...change the CD you are absolutely BORING :suspect:
Thailand is a sovereign state...CASA and the FAAA have no jurisdiction there.
Maybe Australia should invade Thailand.
Further no one forces anyone to work for Jetstar.
They do so of their own volition.
This is 2006 not 1966

argus.moon
 

I suspect you are very wrong.

QANTAS AOC is based in Australia under the authority of CASA. (sorry meant jokestar)

Example QF cannot emply chinese pilots and have them work outside the Australian F&D times requirements.

Perhaps
 

We are talking CC not pilots
F&D time requirements do not apply to CC as far as I am aware :confused:

Oh yes they are and they are more restrictive in some companies than the pilot's hours

CASA have no restriction on cabin crew duty hour limits or minimum rest, they only require EP proficiency.

Sorry, quite correct, they are Union limits not CASA limits ......

Its all safety related and that IS CASA's responsibility.
That is the reality of it.
CC are not only responsible for saftey of pax when there is an accident.

More Thai cabin crew? Fantastic!
They can teach the Australian-based crew how to smile and actually deliver a service.

Having done a bit of time paxing with QF over the last 12 months, seeing the Thai flag on the name-badge always sees me looking forward to a good flight (yes, yes, I know - no guarantee they are actually _from_ Bkk, but a good first hint)

Have to agree with that. Thai people are great. just hope they get treated well.

Maybe if you wish really hard Dixon will sack ALL 3500 Australian cabin crew and ONLY employ Thais as obviously the 160 we employ at Qantas are the only ones that are any good.

They must have had an enormous impact given our two years running number two international airline Skytrax award.

There really are some feken w#$kers on this site.

..and who won the 2006 Skytrax Award for the Worlds Best Cabin Staff?

TG

Wow!
 

If QF had 18 CC like TG then you would get a smile.
Interestingly enough people only smile when they are happy :cool:

more to the point
 

guys keep your venom under control. argus moon paterns/FDL for cabin crew is a very important issue as i have been told most western nation have it (and i have checked the appropriate websites).i pointed out current excess patterns flown by our thai collegues as J* int. aims at a 38 hour week. take holidays out and you get 1520 (duty) hours per year. for international flying that is a big increase.
just use your rosters and work out how many hours you fly per year.
can someone share any information e the following on the casa website
dated march 2006?
[url]http://www.casa.gov.au/aoc/fatigue/regref/cabin.htm:

yes, well, that is definately a good attitude to display to the punter isnt it...

Curious about the comment: "our two years running number two international airline Skytrax award"

Checking out the Skytrax site shows that Qantas doesnt feature at all in the top 5 Cabin Staff results this year... unless you are of course referring to the regional group 'Australia/Pacific', where they come in behind Air Tahiti Nui (for the fourth year running).

Seems this year the top five were:
1 Thai Airways (2nd last year)
2 Qatar Airways (5th last year)
3 Malaysia Airlines (3rd last year)
4 A N A (9th last year)
5 Singapore Airlines (4th last year)
The only one to drop out of the top 5 was Asiana (1st last year)

Thanks for highlighting the Skytrax results mostie... whilst not directly applicable, they do go some way to making my 'racial profiling' point.

"'racial profiling" ????

I rest my case........