Borg do I hear an apology in the offing?.(mayby you now look a little foolish).same as Maui here..been there done that (and have friends in Oz that are still on the NG)..I know where my money is....:hmm: What hasnt been mentioned (sorry Wiz..I forgot about the baby bus bases:ok: ) is the portakabin buildings...crewing taking the pi** on FTL's..and yeah the 6 sector days..oh yeah and did I mention RT standards?:p
Me thinks the QF boys are in for a bit of an eye opener:ok:

Will they get to say - "The Easy Jet"? on the radio, just like "The Speedbird"


Yes British R/T - its fantastic! Bwhahahahahhahhahhah!

and my personal favourite......

Fully ready...
Fully established

fully sick-No that one is Thorpy's :E

I could never figure that one out either. As if you're going to report partially ready.

Haughtney 1,

Before Borg makes any apology, can you please explain how spending 1 year flying around NZ in a clapped out bandit in the mid 90s on a brand new NZ CPL, relates to flying a QF 737? :hmm:

These MON 757 co-pilots, sure do seem to know alot. Must be all that good Brit RT training. This should more than make up for that lack of command time that stops you joining your mates still on the NG in Oz I guess.

Don

Donp....mate whatever you say:ugh:

Yeah we all had to start somewhere..Im no exception.

My point comes out of a couple of things...including R/T(just to be clear...)

1. Flying with plenty of Ozzies in this part of the world (ex QF and ansett)

2. Continued personal FRIENDS within QF on the NG (3 very good mates:) )

3. Flying in Oz, and seeing certain things first hand.

4. Oh yeah and a pretty good understanding of the challenges facing someone coming from Aus/NZ to this part of the world to work in a pressurised congested environment.

Dont get me wrong here, Im not questioning the integrity nor the proffesionalism of those who decide to do this...Im just highlighting a few things that are VERY VERY different to QF land, and that these secondee's will have a few challenges to face.
So yeah Borg owes me an apology.

Finally the dig about command time? very mature, makes me chuckle when someone can ask a few searching questions..and then back it with a personal snipp:yuk: makes you wonder about the motivation for the reply.

H 1
Sorry about that. I should have been clearer. I was suggesting that perhaps you had not been there and done that as you stated. I am also suggesting that if a low timer such as yourself (which you were after a couple of years off flying in 2000 anyway), was able to jump through all the hoops, then perhaps those with a bit more time in aeroplanes might be able to do it as well. You never know!!!
Hope its all clearer now. Must be my bad RT.

Don

Don, it wasnt my intention to sound rude..or even have a pop at any QF guys, I originally made my comments tounge in cheek based on my experiences..and on what my QF mates tell me.
Im sure your R/T is probably better than mine:ok:

Still though, I reckon Borg, you owe me an apology...I am in a position to know a great deal more than you give me credit for:hmm:

If the sniping can be set aside - just for a moment - I ask again:

How will the JAA licencing requirements be sorted out?

If there is any truth in they are to be given short term licence validations, is this option not available to other applicants with EU right of abode?

Haughtney, it was your suggestion that QF 737 guys are cossetted that got me miffed. They aren't. They fly to FTL limitations that are broadly similiar to the Euro ones. Most other pilots in OZ do not.

While the congested European airspace carries pressures that OZ doesn't have, I suggest that some of the QF 737 flying (Uluru in the summer springs to mind), would have European crews equally far out of their comfort zones.

Flying for QF in Oz is like working in a sheltered work shop, lets face it. If the opportunity is there to get some time in the UK you would be mad not to take it for the experience. Its no great hurdle, just different problems that's all. And Haughtney, I've heard Don's R/T and its crap, pretty much like mine really.

Not happening now due to time constraints in trying to attempt to get validations. Just a bloody shame that drivers on other fleets within QF who may have JAR licences and EU passports can't get leave without pay because of 'maning issues'.
Alas, all will be solved on Wednesday, I hear.:(

You can fly in Europe on a validation of your Australian license for up to a year. You only have to sit one Air Law exam.

Fair enough mate....:ok:


You havent heard mine though..........crap is a rather positive spin on my efforts to be honest:}

Wasn't there a recent thread where "The Qantas xxx... " calls were discussed in depth??

....And our call sign is just Easyxxxx.

A bit embarrasing for our Female pilots to have to call themselves Easy... Up there with Virgin and Baby.

The worst, however, is a South Hampton based Dash-8 operator call South West.

They have a Girly FO who gets to use the call-sign.....SWALLOW

The only time I have ever heard someone say "the qantas XXX" is immediately after a radio call from "the speedbird xxx" :E . It tends to stop them from referring to themselves as "the speedbird XXX" pretty quickly!


Other than that i have never heard anyone in QF using The QANTAS xxx.


from memory that thread you referred to also mentioned something similar. it has always been a birdseed thing to use "the".....

"They have a Girly FO who gets to use the call-sign.....SWALLOW"

Could be worse Wiz. . . atleast she doesn't have to use the callsign "SPIT" :yuk:

I hear her ALL THE TIME :} out of LGW...and there is even a nice lady in the tower that has to swallow..errr...say swallow as well;)

With all this garbage about RT, let me remind anyone who has not read the many easyJet postings in Rumours and News, as to why easyJet is so short of pilots:
1) almost every duty up to FTL maximum, usually 11.45 per day
2) 4 to 6 sector days, every day with 20 to 25 minute turnarounds
3) Two shifts per day, so start for a 6 am sign on, or finish around 2330.
4) 5 weeks leave per year, behind the industry standard of 6.
5) There is an acute shortage of Trainers, so it will take a while to get on line, just in time for winter.

If you are coming for a holiday, remember over 100 pilots have left easyJet in the last year, most exhausted and over 350 have left in the last 4 years. They cannot recruit qualified pilots in Europe as there is a shortage here, and the T's and C's, even with the payrise agreed last week, have fallen far behind all it's competitors. You will recruited to be used as a dumping ground for maximum flying, which may be great for you if you want to die young, but will still leave easyJet with the same problem when you are gone, because it refuses to take a long term view and SOLVE the problems!!!
PM me if you want to know more.