Looks to me like it will be a separate division to Jetstar domestic. And by that the j* pilots probably won't be flying the j* Int a/c anyway, so it will be a whole new bunch of heros returning to oz that will be taking those jobs.

All these theories are wrong!

It all started when QF mainline pilots refused entry to mainline of the regionals in court and finished with Impulse being bought and Southern pilots hung out to dry by mainline pilots.:mad:

QF management must of rubbed their hands together when they realised at this stage other pilot groups owed the mainliners no allegiance.

Therefore the mainliners set themselves up for the fall.
Enter Geoff who said "any pilot groups who would like to screw the mainline pilot group step this way because they will screw you if you dont follow my lead.":{

Being a clever pilot group who had noticed what had gone on in the past the Impulse pilots took Geoff's advice and look where they are now.:ok:

Viva The Revolution!!!:E

Until we have 1 pilot group all prepare for tough times.

I thought QF could run a 744 with 3 crew, instead of 4, and base people in SIN, cut down the number of people you need. Move flying off domestic to J* and reduce the domestic flying.

Took 10 seconds to come up with that, wonder what guys who do it for a living come up with.

Mainline screwed Southern?? What planet are you on?

The only people who screwed Southern was the QF management.

What most of the anti mainliners seem to forget is that the majority of mainline pilots are young guys and girls with families, who had nothing to do with the dispute in 89 and nothing to do with the politics involved with all the other little games that have been played over the years by the usual suspects.

So mainline pilots are painted as this bunch of pricks. Believe that if it means you can sleep at night but that truth is mainliners are no different to you.

I would like to see (dreaming here!!) the international pilots and f/a's gang together .... we are all being screwed.... the international division of both jobs are under a major threat (pilots by jet* international, cabin crew by shorthaul/ jetstar international!) let them see what happens whehn there aint no pilots or cabin crew to run their 747's !!!!! yes - just a dream !:{

"What most...... seem to forget is that the majority.......are young guys and girls with families, who had nothing to do with the dispute in 89 and nothing to do with the politics involved with all the other little games that have been played over the years by the usual suspects."

Sounds an awful lot like most Jetstar pilots too, Sonny.

Just remember, "The Usual Suspects" are airline management, the spiralling costs of fuel and the increase of competition in just about every market Qantas flies to.

Just like mainline pilots, Jetstar pilots just fly the planes.

There is a fair bit of rot going on here, but i would suggest to the jet* haters in Qf look in your own backyard. I seem to remember when AIPA shut the gate hard on VQ pilots for representation at the Qf buy-out stage of impulse the cancaer was planted. Even now Jetstar pilots need to beg and plead for information to join AIPA. Why the hell should they think anything else apart from f--k this they obviously couldn't give a s--t.
Point the finger if it makes you feel better but until the hopefully minority of VOCAL Qf pilots and their union recognise JQ pilots are here to stay and stop treating them at arms length then nothing will ever change. Except the obvious the disintegration of what was a great airline and the RAPID expansion of it's replacement.

Call the JQ pilots whatever you want your banging your head against a brick wall. If you continue to verbally s--t-can them you leave them no alternative but to venture into the future without any reason to look back. And that is a real problem for this industry no matter which side of the camp you sit in.

But I guess for some of the boffins here it's just easier to whinge and point fingers than actively try to fix the problem... That is simply division, for whatever reason seems good at the time.:ok: Good one boffins, you have become what you hate. You are grass cutting your own bretherin through hate not money.
Its all the same result at the end of the day, Jet* expand because you give them no reason to to care for your side.
Sonny Hammond has hit the nail on the head. Jq pilots are the same as any pilot. They have just had no reason to listen to the tripe because it's all negative toward them. Would you listen to someone who said "think about what your doing to us you bottom dwelling rot of a sub standard pilot".
I think not. you would think. Screw you shaggs I'll show you who is sub standard.
Wake up. now. Jetstar International is the last chance Qf has to harness Jetstar pilots as a friend not a foe. If this is not achieved it is and will be CHECKMATE.
GAME OVER.

Look no further than the abundance of B777 and A330/A340 qualified pilots. Easy.

OMG! Do we have several posts in agreeance? Surely a first for prune...

Flyingings, I wasn't up any pilot group, I was merely clarifying the position of the mainliners for those who use the past as a angle to 'hate' the mainliners.
I agree, Jet*, Natjet, a lot of VB pilots, QF mainline are all in the same boat.

The only thing I will disagree with Rostov on is the checkmate bit. The only check move here is for GD who gets christmas early (again) and has his planes crewed for peanuts.
Flying around oz on the cheap, doing hard rosters with bare conditions is one thing, try it internationally and life(style) will be less pleasant.

Ultimately, we all lose.

As an aside to the crewing debate as to who gets the flying.

Did anyone notice the bull$hit the managers spin in the media re EK and SQ. In the article it says the expansion is to stop EK and SQ into Australia but neither of them fly into Australia from the ports mentioned.

My comment of Checkmate was to illustrate the point that, If AIPA drops the ball on this one Jet* will be of the size that will make unity almost impossible. Once they are international with no AIPA assistance what is their use to Jet*? They got there by themseleves and they wont look back. Division will rule for the forseeable future. No need for them to want to join AIPA when they are as big as mainline, they will do there own thing. just like right up to this moment.

Lt Dan -
Jetstar undermining employees? Never.

Nothing would surprise me...fudging the numbers of FA's? There's a shock!

And yet the company is the first to complain about the number of crew being called out on days off and live days (who's calling who here fellas?)

15 crew resigning from SEQ in one month! Surprise sur-bloody-prise!

It's the whole "I can't understand why the crew are upset" gaping-mouth-open look we get that infuriates me!!

WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PEOPLE ON!?

Surely the latest bout of cabin crew resignations in SYD would be far more than 15?! I have literally lost count.

You are so right about management's look of surprise when they say "why are crew so unhappy?" It looks so genuine! Makes you wonder... :confused:

Just remind me again, are we talking about VB or J* ?

Hey, Jetstar guys and girls (real ones) please dont hang out any of our dirty washing in public. We have prided ourselves for 5 years in keeping above all the crap that is sprouted on this forum.

Join in debate by all means but dont give anything away. The only way to win is play the cards very close to your chest........ But what I can tell everyone ('cause I am so happy) is that I am starting my A330 course in Dec.

"Viva the Revolution........... we will do it for less"

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHhhh! The Pirate.

And there, writ large, summed up in one immortal quote, is the reason why the Pilot profession in Australia is screwed.

Thank you J* pilots:\

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"Viva the Revolution........... we will do it for less"
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Alley cats never change their spots!

Meaowwww! Your very welcome ............

You brought it upon yourselves .......... look at any revolution in history ........... understand the reasons why people revolt ........... If we hadnt done it someone else would have .........

"Fly the Skull and Crossbones"

Wonder how smug you'll be when someone comes along and under-cuts you.

Your revolution in action...?

D*** Head