Bindook.com back on air
 

Has anyone seen this site re National Day of Action?

http://www.bindook.com

And they wonder why noone takes them seriously.

I'll just mark that date in my diary "No Flying Thanks"

Why don't they suggest flying under the hood too? Might as well blank off the external visual senses while you're shutting out any helpful auditory info.

They could at least leave the transponders on ALT to give anyone half a chance of avoiding the deaf halfwits.

I despair...

Numbnut. Go to jail. Directly to jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

I have received a number of private emails asking if I am involved in this protest. I can categorically say I am not. I have no involvement in any way. I have no idea who Bindook is.

I draw the attention of professional pilots and air traffic controllers who read this thread to the fact that there are many thousands of private pilots and sport aviation pilots out there who believe they have been disenfranchised. They believe that the independent CASA report by Professor Terry O’Neill from the ANU shows that the Airservices safety case used to wind back the reforms is sheer bunkum.

These people have not been given evidence that Australia cannot benefit from the US airspace system as used in radar coverage and the US airspace system as used outside radar coverage.

It looks to me that when a large group of people are not listened to and consider that they are not treated fairly, they will support radical action.

I believe it is a great pity that it has come to this.

The pity is that it is due to your incompetence and lack of intelligence that this state of affairs has gone on.

Dick,

I draw your attention to the fact that there are many thousands of private pilots and sport aviation pilots out there who believe they have been disenfranchised by your personal crusade to degrade the safety of Australian airspace. They believe that the independent CASA report by Professor Terry O’Neill from the ANU is sheer bunkum.

About as valid and substantiated as your own claim.

Now, isn't there a mountain somewhere awaiting your attention.

So sad... :sad:

How does it feel Dick?

We have been ignored for a long time when it comes to airspace reform.

You and your cronies have been riding roughshod over the opinions of professional pilots and air traffic controllers for over 10 years now.

its about time that it started to swing in the opposite direction.

EVERY cent that has been spent on aborted airspace reform should be refunded BY YOU.

You are a rich and influential amateur who quite frankly doesn't know **** from brown clay, yet your opinion gets heard and as a result many millions of dollars are spent on your folly.

You are obviously incapable of seeing the other side of ANY arguement and as such are a failure as a manager - yeah sure you made millions but I wonder where your businesses would be today if you were still at the helm?

Get back into your box and be quiet for a while - I believe that you are developing nautical interests - go and annoy the boaties we have had quite enough!

Whoever the twit is, who's responsible for the bindook.com website, and has posted this advice:

Who can take part?



Anyone and everyone with access to any kind of flying machine should drag it out of the shed on Saturday 27 November to participate in the national day of action. Whether you fly a Cessna or a hot air balloon, a helicopter or a hang glider, an airship or a parachute, it matters not. Just be sure to get yourself airborne on Saturday 27 November to participate in the national day of action and stake your claim on Australia's skies.



Imagine the possibilities :



* Wollongong direct to West Maitland.

* Moorabbin direct to Kyneton.

* Southport direct to Caboolture.
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Is, imo, setting himself up BIG TIME for legal liability in the event of any of the aircraft following his "directive" becoming involved in
i) A mid air collision or near miss;
ii) Infringement of controlled and/or military airspace;
iii) Violation of prohibited/restricted zones.

Is it possible to have the author tracked down, and a joint application sent to the Licencing section to have his licences cancelled for reckless, irresponsible behaviour which poses a threat to the public and Australian aviation?

I'll gladly co-sign!

A TWIT of IMMENSE PROPORTIONS!! :mad:

Is it just a co-incidence that this day of action is going to occur on a Saturday? :yuk:

Why not hold it during the week? Oh thats right, none of the lunatic NAS supporters will be flying because they are all weekend warriors who think that because they have a PPL, the sky belongs to them.

Who's joining me at the pub safely on the ground as we watch the mayhem unfold!

:mad:

TL

How disengenuous Dick.

You had a praiseworthy link to the bindook.com site on your own www.dicksmithlyer.com page.

Or have you edited that one too?

Must be hard to remember which personality is at the tiller at times?

Perhaps one of the reasons why NAS is so dangerous is because of morons who propagate ****e on websites, the like of bindook.com, that have access to aircraft :yuk:

and everyone has a go at me and the Ultralight fraternity! but even we would never get involved in something THAT STUPID!
all we want is Lower costs! not lower safety!

There will be no danger of bumping into anyone else simply because the limited number of people who would even contemplate something so bl00dy stupid.

Rather maliciously, one hopes that they go ahead and encounter something heavy and military as a result of failing to obey directives. Particularly if it's heavy, military and goes "bang" when it arrives.

It seems the page has been changed.

That picture looks very similar to somebody........hmmmm........can't quite put my finger on it.

Its a scene out of the movie 'The Dish'

oh.. wait a minute - I get you ;)

:( This is strange the guy who started that website passed away a couple of months ago.So who is running this site now? From memory BINDOOK did not advocate civil disobedience. All his protesting revolved around the supposed practice of ATC refusing clearence to light aircraft. To me this appears to be a gross slur on a man who can no longer defend himself.

And now the AOPA President "understands the sentiment behind the call for a General Aviation Day of Action" :rolleyes: blah blah and the usual "whiteanting by a minority unprofessional airline pilots their unions and the Air Traffic Control Unions" routine follows.

Light Aircraft to stage a day of action

I'd love to hear what the membership, outside the loony fringe, feel about being joined in this disgraceful idea.

Nobody asked me yet and I certainly didn't vote for it, I think they must be entertaining the idea that you have to "correctly" answer a whole bunch of questions, before you may become a member and therefore eligible for election.

And on reflection, I'll be insisting that none of my family, friends and business colleagues will be anywhere near an airline or any other aircraft on that day, I think evry one would be wise to do likewise until the AFP have got to the bottom of what is, in reality, is fundamentally a "terrorist" threat.

If it has come to this by the actions of one man with one agenda we need and must insist on a Judicial enquiry. Common sense the lives of every traveller in Australia and the very existence of our Airservice provider and their dedicated staff demands it.

Does this philosophy of No Radio, No Transponder extend to your flying school Mr. Bertram?

I am sure business will just be knocking down your door after such a stupid statement.

A sign of what a pathetic excuse AOPA has become in Australia - mores the pity.

...perhaps that is why AOPA membership has dropped off substantially. Those in AOPA who think NAS is safe appear to hold positions of influence.

Any organisation expressing empathy or endorses the 'national day of action' deserves to perish.

Hah how does it not surprise me that AOPA support that rubbish. How am I also not surprised at the second signature on that release.

now i know why i never joined the AOPA after some lobbying from some of their members

I know it is fashionable to bag AOPA and I agree that some of their activities of the recent past have been well, ill advised and somewhat ridiculous.

That said, re-read what Bertram actually said in the release.

"Ron Bertram today said that AOPA understood the sentiment behind the call"

and later

"but we do understand why GA pilots would want to join such a protest after seeing airspace hijacked by a handful of union airline pilots a greedy air traffic controllers”

Nowhere does he encourage involvement or participation in the "event'

I too can understand the sentiment, but I do recognise it to be misplaced and operationally stupid. The wording is very cleverly put, possibly as a result of a legal input.

I'm not defending AOPA's "understanding" but I don't see much value in attacking what some 'think' (or wished) was said.

ding

Hey ultralights;

You posted a warm and fuzzy "why don't we all try to get along" post recently, and then you go off half cocked with shafting AOPA. reading too much Gaunty I suspect.

I suppose you can now tell us all there are more AUF members than AOPA and AFAP combined so you own the sky?

Read what the man said, and stop listening to the rabid ravings of the loony left who are a bit miffed right now, or are you another disenfranchised Labor man who is looking at anything to blame?

ding bit precious mate

ahhhh..... AND
is not emotive ? I seem to recall a certain "expert" there always insisting on reliable data and research, I guess therefore, they can supply it to back up their intemperate statement.

Nah I didn't think so.

I would have thought a credible statment might have been couched more along the lines of "condemning".

But we all know it was the Smith apologists who actually wrote it and does not necessarily represent the view of the members.

Indeed why make any comment on the bindook.com issue at all.

Now it's apparent bindook.com has withdrawn the stupid threat (presume as reaction to "legal advice") will AOPA withdraw its support in another media release?

AOPA members: you belong to a foolish irresponsible organisation.

Sorry if I seem 'precious' (one day I'll explain why me being called that by you is actually funny)

I read the Bertram blurb as not being a statement of position or policy, it really says nothing at all except what we've all read in todays papers anyway.

More Association funds wasted:mad:

ding

it was half cocked, yes, but i just stated that i was not a member of the AOPA,and wrote nothing about the AOPA. basically after a few of their members kept approaching me, i decided it wasnt for me. But i did find the statement from the AOPA a little unusual as i read it to mean they, in some way supported the bindook actions. it was my error in my interpretation.

and no, being a business owner, i am Liberal. and even if i was looking for someone to blame, it still wouldnt help with the solving of issues, whats done is done, and cant be changed, all we can do is change now, and the future.

from my viewpoint, all this heated discussion isnt really helping anyone or anything. and all of aviations organisations would do much better with a united front.
Im sure 99% of aviators out there, including the ones in their 40Kt Drifters will think that a day of No radio and No transponder Is just outright Stupid. and will achieve nothing.

ding

I sincerely look forward to that, we need a bit of light relief around here. :D

How do you reconcile Greedy Air Traffic Controller with the fact that the DickTator Monkey has decreed 'There shalt be a ****load more of them' - and GA will pay for it?

Or are AOPA being 'told' what to say. Again.

Tricked and used again. There is no fool like an old fool.

Easy way to deal with these morons gentlemen. Pick up the phone and ring your nearest esteemed Aussie media piranha. A nice by-line line like "Loony Kamikaze Private Pilots Threaten Thousands of Air Travellers!! " will help these fools get the message across.
That ought to do the trick, back to the banana lounge...

Hey, Ultralights, I thought you were me for a moment when you introduced yourself on the other thread!

Last time I flew a Drifter it had neither radio nor transponder.

I don't have a problem with people flying no radio-no transponder, so long as they do it where they should and not where they shouldn't.

And that's the crux of the problem with Dickspace.

Philthy

sold a dud
 

I read the press release and then rang the numbers.

They don't support it, they just understand it. As usual the Gaunt inspired bitter and twisted crew are misrepresenting the facts, yawn!!!

GA was sold NAS in the terms of 'free in E' and AOPA suported transponders in E (NOT the US model) on the basis that GA would have E over D.

Now we are back to C over D I myself can understand why people would be calling for no TXPs in E. We have been sold a dud.

I think the bindook thing was a fair call (just like ATCs or pilots going on strike!!!) I just think it was badly explained and should read

No radios
No TXPs
Fly Direct in E
Stay out of C and D

PD

ATC's and pilots going on strike?

Where did you cook up that one?

Don't you realise that this government doesn't permit strikes over issues of professional concern anyway?

PoisonDwarf:

If AOPA dispatch a press release based on the whole stupid idea dont tell me they don't support it. That is semantics. It might fool some - it won't fool the readers here. Lets face it - AOPA are so irrelevant and ignored, they will latch on to a loony fringe anonymous website who promotes irresponsible action and subsequently retracts it. AOPA hug on to that type of behaviour to get noticed! - And STILL they get ignored by the mainstream media.

heh heh

just making a point

but heres to be rid of them in October

:)

Bindook.com is continuing the same standard of accuracy, truth and relevance it set all those months ago with it's founding.

If the mission of bindook.com is to become an important influence in aviation affairs, prove it's credibility and promote it's following to garner support for it's viewpoint on air safety, and all this is to be based on it's current formula, I can only offer the following advice: Don't change a thing!

I wonder if Dick Smith is actually behind Bindook.com...?

I only just had a chance to check the AOPA email.

While it says "we understand the sentiment" it doesn't say "we understand the sentiment but do not condone actions which are against the regulations". Which frankly, it should.

KLN94 Answers are always out there

http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=bindook.com

LONG, Dick!!

Roll call must have been a nightmare for him at school. that could explain a few things!

Sorry, cheap shot I know. :(