Oct 9 - The real vote on the Aviation Reform Group
 

Dick Smith and his cronies made aviation more political than it has ever been.

Anderson and Howard gave him that chance.

I will be helping to vote them out in my response to one of their many miserable failed policies and the consequent enormous cost to aviation.

This thread is about politics. And if you think it has nothing to do with aviation you are a fool.

If you don't like it - don't contribute.

I am sure the Woomeri will pull it if they deem it inappropriate.

But I say it is time to have a collective say and ditch these ignorant vandals.

I don't neccessarily prescribe voting in the ALP - but I wholly endorse the democratic dismissal of the arrogant incumbents. Whitlam said it best: 'It's time for a change'.

(Who knows: Missing in action Anderson may even come out of hiding and say something)

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This is a party political broadcast paid for by the ****su-Tonka Party.

They are not getting my vote.

Time for someone else to have a go



Bye Bye John 1 and John 2

LATHAM - can't add up, bully-boy, makes policy on the run and an inexperienced player at big time politics.

Sheeez, and they reckon Crean was an idiot !

I won't be voting for Johnny Howard either, but I will be voting LIBERAL, simply because there is no alternative party.:mad:

How can you vote for Liberal but not for Howard?

(Oh, thats right - Peter Costello will be the leader in 6 months - hopefully of the opposition)

All that other stuff sounds just what the party propoganda machine are basing their campaign on: playing the man, not the issues. Precisely why you can not vote Liberal without endorsing John Howard as the leader of Australia - in the worlds eyes not just ours.

At least they have revived GA - right Dick?

My point exactly ****su. The Labour Party are trying to discredit Howard instead of getting on with showing us how they will manage the country. Who cares if Howard lied about the children overboard, I haven't met a politician yet who doesn't lie !

Vote Labour and Australia will be broke in 12 months, you'll have illegitimate "refugees" as neighbours and inflation will soar (based on Labour's current fiscal policy).

They don't deserve it - but the Liberals will get another term.

I do.

And I would like to think I am part a growing number of Australians who care how Australia and Australians are now regarded in the world.

People who see Australia not just as a snapshot of economic figures and a US subsidiary, but as having a sense of what is right morally - not just financially.

What is an illegitimate refugee? You are either a refugee or you are not. Or is this another resurrection of the kidnapping of Pauline Hansons rhetoric and policy again? Next will you be telling me about the queue jumpers? You remember. The ones from Iraq who were here for economic reasons so we sent them back. And then 18 months later helped Sherrif Dubya invade their country because of their despotic leader who had persecuted their ethnic minorities - so, oops, I guess they were refugees after all? Or did we help bomb Iraq because of their WMD's after all? Or did our PM just get 'bad and untimely advice?'.

Your point about the pending financial ruination by an ALP government is a perfectly scripted scaremonger statement - textbook stuff straight from the Lib disinformation campaign that I expect to hear lots of in the next 6 weeks.

But I will agree with you on one thing:

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The Liberals don't deserve another term

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On the Aviation front, from listening to the announcement speech, when he thanked and appluaded his govt, he did not mention that retard Anderson at all.

This raises an interesting point. The Poms can talk politics all they like on JetBlast 'cos they think they are the only ones with a right to be there, and anybody who doesn't like it take can take a walk. D&G is supposedly reserved for aviation topics, yet if an overtly political thread is moved to JB only the Aussies who frequent those august halls will see it or contribute, and it will lose its flavour.

So, Oh great Spearchucker, would it be possible to leave this thread here and cover your tender ears for a few weeks? Perhaps it could even be renamed to make it obvious it is an election thread. Personal abuse is the norm in Parliament, surely we can't be too precious about a little stone throwing here? It's OZ after all! Sticky it, call it the one and only election thread and let the dogs loose! All good fun in the end, and anybody likely to be offended can be warned to stay clear.

Well, it was just a thought!

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Kim Beazley, who is miles ahead of Latham in every respect, failed to make the grade and the same people who rejected him will reject bovver boy, ex barman Latham. Wether you like John Howard or not, you must admit that Australia has prospered and is advancing globally under his leadership. As for that old chestnut of "children overboard"; who the hell cares? Everybody is getting sick and tired, listening to the same old cracked Labor record. You don't have to quiz me in an exit poll to see who I will vote for.

Don't fall for the fear campaign.

Fear of national insecurity
Fear of dark-skinned reffos
Fear of economic mismanagent
Fear of young inexperienced leadership
Fear of industrial chaos
Fear of moral depravity in public schools
Fear of lesbian mothers
Fear of invading hordes without our big bro' U.S.A.
Fear of North Korean ICBMs
Fear of environmental controls
Fear of Aboriginal people and Torres Strait islanders

About time for Australians to become proud of themselves, and unafraid of the big wide world. Howard is a fear-monger and must go.

Hot Dog:

With all due respect, the cracked record analogy you refer to is to be found in your post:

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No. Australia, along with the rest of the developed world, has prospered - despite John Howard.

But I am sure we will hear that chestnut rolled out, along with the 'experience' tag. Of course he has got experience. He has served three terms.

And I wonder who will be getting his mug photographed wherever he can when our Olympians return next week - trying to let some of the glory rub off. :yuk:

The coalition are the lesser of two evils. Never again should we let Labour run Oz into the ground. Its the economy stupid!

I agree that Howard is past his use by date. If there is one thing that should get him (but not the Libs) thrown out it is the appalling policy of cuddling up to the US. No US troops on Oz soil!

The fact that the government can say 'we are not under a greater terrorist threat because our involvement in Iraq' with a straight face is also appalling and smacks of conceitedness.

Mr Howard you are touchable.

Unless there's another Howard-Wedge Issue ® then we'll see the following electoral pattern on 9 October:

1. 90% of lifetime Liberal voters will stick with Howard/Costello.
2. An unknown number of the remaining 10% will vote otherwise on the trust issue.
3. An unknown number of lifetime National voters will vote otherwise, most of these in QLD.
4. Most swingers will abandon the coalition
5. A small percentage of lifetime Labor voters will move further left.

Bottom line: large swing to Labor (on preferences) is inevitible. How much? We'll have to wait.

Chronic Snoozer:

Your points about Howard sucking up to US policy, and placing Australia in the terrorists sights with our almost unilateral adherence to the Washington neo-con doctrine are indeed accurate .

I therefore find it hard to reconcile your view that this makes the incumbents the lesser of two evils.

My reading of latter 20C Aus/US history suggests the APL are more likely to stand up to the US and break this doctrine than the Coalition.

Most of the world still stands appalled at the USA's abandonment of the Clinton era Multilateral foreign policy agenda, and arrogant dismissal of the UN protocols. Australia supported the US on this. It is now biting the US on the arse bigtime - and now the US want UN support for an exit strategy in Iraq!

The sooner we disassociate Australia from the fundamentalist fringe running Washington and its foreign policy on behalf of Corporate America, and become a country with our own identity, ideas and culture again, the better.

Frankly I don't ever see Howard as the man to achieve that - not the way he and his government have attched themselves to the US and abandoned our more immediate region.

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Now party politics aside, John Howard is a smart politician, love him or hate him, he knows how to play the game.

Mark Latham and Peter Costello are not smart politicians, they are bully boys and who in their right mind would want them to lead us?

Tip: Kevin Rudd will be the next Labour prime minister of Australia because he is another smart politician!! (you heard it here first)

Cheers, HH.
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S-T
 

Yep, not easy is it. Under the incumbents Australia has prospered, they have not abandoned Defence, which Labour historically has, yet their foreign policy leaves a lot to desired.

They are the lesser of two evils as Labour has no policy platform on which to win my vote. Tit-for-tat politics is not substitute for balanced consistent policy. The fact they allowed Crean to be their leader alone rules them out as a serious contender for the next decade. Beazley is still in the mix, so Labour to me just looks like the same old tired rhetoric. Don't know a lot about Latham, sounds like a thug.

But....I think a lot of Australians have become disillusioned with Howard. Just because I don't believe Labour to be viable alternative, yet, doesn't mean I don't shake with rage at what my PM does in Government. I reserve the right to vehemently disagree with his foreign policy, however there are more portfolios than that to consider. He is smart, you can't deny that.

Why vote for Howard;


Hmmmm.....

- Children overboard
- Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
- GST and the Black Market Economy
- IT companies and JH's son
- Medicare
- NAS
- lies, lies and damned lies!

makes anything other than Liberal look very good.

If you can vote for what seems to be pathological lying, than you deserve the government we can't afford.

BTW, Labour governments making the country broke is an urban myth. Check your facts.

And the Labour party does have policies, maybe you missed them in the media when they get 15 seconds between the footy scores and the Olympics.

****ohdear, it's the same old cliches from both sides. I'll retain my request to make it a sticky at this stage, but ffs people, can we have some original thoughts here?

Snoozer:

Going back to the orginal 'theme' of this thread, the much heralded superior economic 'management' you refer to does not seem to extend to our common pet here - aviation.

The waste of god-only-knows how much in excess of $100M on appeasing political 'thugs' as you call them is scandalous, and worthy of a far reaching inquiry with autonomous powers.

Yet the response from the Dep PM, Minister suggests he was kidnapped about 12 months ago and has never been heard from since!

If NAS / ARG / NASPAG / DOTARS is an example of superior economic management I will be thoroughly investigating the credentials of those potential administrations deemed less 'superior'.

I will agree with you that Howard is a smart politician. His smart non-committal answers always seem to leave him with an 'out'. Very smart indeed. Makes it hard to know what he truly believes thought doesn't it? Or when he is telling the truth?

Very smart.

[Oh come on Bino - be a bit more specific!]

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"The bewildered herd is a problem. We've got to prevent their roar and trampling. We've got to distract them. They should be watching the Superbowl or sitcoms or violent movies. Every once in a while you call on them to chant meaningless slogans like "Support our troops." You've got to keep them pretty scared, because unless they're properly scared and frightened of all kinds of devils that are going to destroy them from outside or inside or somewhere, they may start to think, which is very dangerous, because they're not competent to think. Therefore it's important to distract them and marginalize them."


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