Trouble on QF flight from MEL-Tassie??
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Got to commend the flight attendant who fought this guy off. It cant get much scarier than having a nutter attack your head with sharpened stakes.
Of course the silliness doesnt end when the plane lands. That piece in 'The Australian' obviously came from the color-by-numbers school of journalism. Its an example of why they had to give away free copies of that paper last year in order to keep the circulation figures up. Channel Nine also maintained its proud tradition of being the proverbial blunt object by going to the airport this morning with a crew and interviewing a line of passengers with the question ' arent you afraid?'. They cut that session short when it became apparant the passengers werent really appreciating the moment.
Of course the silliness doesnt end when the plane lands. That piece in 'The Australian' obviously came from the color-by-numbers school of journalism. Its an example of why they had to give away free copies of that paper last year in order to keep the circulation figures up. Channel Nine also maintained its proud tradition of being the proverbial blunt object by going to the airport this morning with a crew and interviewing a line of passengers with the question ' arent you afraid?'. They cut that session short when it became apparant the passengers werent really appreciating the moment.
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Winstun ,
This cabin crew member , according to eye witnesses kept wrestling and forcing this guy back , despite being stabbed, and kept resisting repeated attempts to keep stabbing him . That is truly a brave act and , yes, I for one will forever remember it.
And yes , this chap is a true gentleman .
Winstun , you are just a true tosser .
This cabin crew member , according to eye witnesses kept wrestling and forcing this guy back , despite being stabbed, and kept resisting repeated attempts to keep stabbing him . That is truly a brave act and , yes, I for one will forever remember it.
And yes , this chap is a true gentleman .
Winstun , you are just a true tosser .
Gaunty,
Don't you dare whinge if next time they do take your $80 pencil off you!
I am quite happy with security. At least weapons such as guns and grenades will be picked up. As you have seen, stabbing type weapons can still get on board, fortunately the brave pax and crew on board the aircraft managed to subdue the guy. You can't seriously expect every potential weapon to be kept of the aircraft. What about a sachet of some toxic substance, these guys are after all, suicidal?
Don't you dare whinge if next time they do take your $80 pencil off you!
I am quite happy with security. At least weapons such as guns and grenades will be picked up. As you have seen, stabbing type weapons can still get on board, fortunately the brave pax and crew on board the aircraft managed to subdue the guy. You can't seriously expect every potential weapon to be kept of the aircraft. What about a sachet of some toxic substance, these guys are after all, suicidal?
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Nobody seems to make a difference between QF mainline and Qantas link / Impulse - to me the techies did not look like QF mainline drives. (The press made all reference to QANTAS)
Is this to say when there is a positive outcome Qantas will take praise, yet if it had a bad outcome, then Qantas would ensure that it was made clear to the public that it is not a QANTAS incident ??
Additionally, seeing that there is a big white rat on the tail of QFlink planes, how can QF distance themselves in reality if an incidence occurs...............
And lastly...should there be a differentiation between QF and QF link ? ?
Is this to say when there is a positive outcome Qantas will take praise, yet if it had a bad outcome, then Qantas would ensure that it was made clear to the public that it is not a QANTAS incident ??
Additionally, seeing that there is a big white rat on the tail of QFlink planes, how can QF distance themselves in reality if an incidence occurs...............
And lastly...should there be a differentiation between QF and QF link ? ?
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Media circus...
One thing that cheeses me off is how the media jumps all over this. Suddenly it's only seconds between them and death yada yada yada. 
I've heard nothing official about anyone getting control of the a/c from the pilots. It looks to me more like extreme air rage.
Another thing, I think airlines need to have some sort of procedure for the aftermath of events like this. Grab the pax, put 'em in a conference hall or something, give 'em some counselling, and tell them to *shut the hell up* and not talk to the media about details like *he used pointy wooden stakes*. Geez, not even a half hour kater and it's all over the freakin' news!!! Now every nutcase in Oz will be trying the same thing.
Does this mean I can't wear hairpins any more coz I might stab someone with them??? Have been thru security many times with plastic chopsticks in my hair.... no one has ever batted an eyelid... yet they pull up my mate for having a bullet-shaped keyring... sheesh....
Wishing all involved swift recovery, good on you. Doing what you had to do.
AN*
I've heard nothing official about anyone getting control of the a/c from the pilots. It looks to me more like extreme air rage. Another thing, I think airlines need to have some sort of procedure for the aftermath of events like this. Grab the pax, put 'em in a conference hall or something, give 'em some counselling, and tell them to *shut the hell up* and not talk to the media about details like *he used pointy wooden stakes*. Geez, not even a half hour kater and it's all over the freakin' news!!! Now every nutcase in Oz will be trying the same thing.
Does this mean I can't wear hairpins any more coz I might stab someone with them??? Have been thru security many times with plastic chopsticks in my hair.... no one has ever batted an eyelid... yet they pull up my mate for having a bullet-shaped keyring... sheesh....
Wishing all involved swift recovery, good on you. Doing what you had to do.
AN*
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If I were you, I would seriously consider your post (page 2).
Do you really want every nutter knowing what level of security training your company has completed with it's crew?
Surely information, such as that you have posted, would be better kept in-house? If you have concerns regarding your training, would it not be better to air them with youre management - rather than in a public forum..... I saw your post as an 'invite' to the rest of the nutters to jump on board one of your flights.
Although I am not with QFLink, I know they are separate entities, and you have no way of knowing what QFLink (Impulse) crews have been trained in, and Mr Dixon was referring to them.
Think about the big picture mate, you never know who reads these forums - you dont want to create a security problem within your own company, by airing your frustrations at a CEO from your company's parent
My humble opinion only
Well done to those involved in the incident, you did a great job !!
If I were you, I would seriously consider your post (page 2).
Do you really want every nutter knowing what level of security training your company has completed with it's crew?
Surely information, such as that you have posted, would be better kept in-house? If you have concerns regarding your training, would it not be better to air them with youre management - rather than in a public forum..... I saw your post as an 'invite' to the rest of the nutters to jump on board one of your flights.
Although I am not with QFLink, I know they are separate entities, and you have no way of knowing what QFLink (Impulse) crews have been trained in, and Mr Dixon was referring to them.
Think about the big picture mate, you never know who reads these forums - you dont want to create a security problem within your own company, by airing your frustrations at a CEO from your company's parent
My humble opinion only
Well done to those involved in the incident, you did a great job !!
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FATASS you dumb bastard if only you had kept your big mouth
shut, the press would not have got this story and blown it out
of all preportion. Now we have a huge problem with the press
and bad publicity for QF and Sydney terminal shut down and
everyone worried about flying.Whats wrong with you, please stop
posting these malicious rumours you DUMBASS.
shut, the press would not have got this story and blown it out
of all preportion. Now we have a huge problem with the press
and bad publicity for QF and Sydney terminal shut down and
everyone worried about flying.Whats wrong with you, please stop
posting these malicious rumours you DUMBASS.
I thought it was merely an English habit to knock a hero from his pedestal. You Aussies have taken this trait to new heights. (No pun intended)
Whether sharpenned wooden stick or a knife, an intruder attempted to endanger the aircraft and the lives of those on board. The crew and passengers responded appropriately, whether trained or not. (I can't believe some of the open comments regarding levels of training posted on this Forum. Keep it private, please)
Whether sharpenned wooden stick or a knife, an intruder attempted to endanger the aircraft and the lives of those on board. The crew and passengers responded appropriately, whether trained or not. (I can't believe some of the open comments regarding levels of training posted on this Forum. Keep it private, please)
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I was told today that the first thing Greg said to a close relative in Tasmania (I believe he is Tasmanian, but stand to be corrected) was " There is no way that prick was getting access to my flight deck".
THAT is the attitude that makes Aussie commercial aviation a great place to be.
Well done Greg, the pretty female F/A with a big old shiner, and the passengers who helped.
MY flight deck!! What a brilliant comment and a sign of commitment to ones Airline. There is hope for the industry yet. This guy is one absolute gem.
Keep up the good work peoples, and all of us will try our best to watch your backs too.
EWL
THAT is the attitude that makes Aussie commercial aviation a great place to be.
Well done Greg, the pretty female F/A with a big old shiner, and the passengers who helped.
MY flight deck!! What a brilliant comment and a sign of commitment to ones Airline. There is hope for the industry yet. This guy is one absolute gem.
Keep up the good work peoples, and all of us will try our best to watch your backs too.
EWL
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The media in CNS is already talking tonight about whether flying in Australia is safe. Please someone put a stop to their nonsense.
CNS relies on tourism. We have just absorbed the shock of Iraqi war and SARS. Now we are going to have another blowup on our tourism front.
Greg K, I remember you well from AN BNE . You have done well. Forget that QF is going to claim you as one of their well trained. While they have done their bit, as they have retrained many of us, we all know where your basic training came from.
Good on you!!!! Ex An Staff are proud of you
CNS relies on tourism. We have just absorbed the shock of Iraqi war and SARS. Now we are going to have another blowup on our tourism front.
Greg K, I remember you well from AN BNE . You have done well. Forget that QF is going to claim you as one of their well trained. While they have done their bit, as they have retrained many of us, we all know where your basic training came from.
Good on you!!!! Ex An Staff are proud of you
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Winstun
You can pontificate about this and that as you so often do.
Yes the media may **** on about the crew being heroes etc, but the people involved certainly have not.
The crew here or maybe one or two of them dealt with a situation that none of us would like to have to handle.Nobody knows how they would react in a situation like this untill they are actually living it and I would think that the way these people reacted is how most of us would like to think we would respond in a similar situation.
If you had ever been in a similar life threatening situation I doubt you would be making such snide remarks.
So do yourself a favour and stick to passing comment on something that actually means something to you instead of just trying to stir people up.
You can pontificate about this and that as you so often do.
Yes the media may **** on about the crew being heroes etc, but the people involved certainly have not.
The crew here or maybe one or two of them dealt with a situation that none of us would like to have to handle.Nobody knows how they would react in a situation like this untill they are actually living it and I would think that the way these people reacted is how most of us would like to think we would respond in a similar situation.
If you had ever been in a similar life threatening situation I doubt you would be making such snide remarks.
So do yourself a favour and stick to passing comment on something that actually means something to you instead of just trying to stir people up.
Winstun
Don't discount the following.
In any bar room brawl, close in fighting, no matter your boxing skills one often comes out with a black eye.
So in Greg's case he was very lucky not to lose an eye as sharp implements involved!
In any bar room brawl, adrenaline usually takes over and you see red. Often making good calls in judgement difficult.
In Greg's case he took the fight back into the cabin and away from the flight deck. Taking strikes to the head as he did so.
So I would suggest he displayed a rare combination of good judgement and bravery.
He did well and deserves a pat on the back. No doubt the media will go overboard. So what in this case.
Conversely, a poor call of judgement or hesitation would invite media, legal and of course, management crucifiction.
A thin line the latter!
Nice bloke and am sure the usually tight techies will buy him a round on his next overnight.
Don't discount the following.
In any bar room brawl, close in fighting, no matter your boxing skills one often comes out with a black eye.
So in Greg's case he was very lucky not to lose an eye as sharp implements involved!
In any bar room brawl, adrenaline usually takes over and you see red. Often making good calls in judgement difficult.
In Greg's case he took the fight back into the cabin and away from the flight deck. Taking strikes to the head as he did so.
So I would suggest he displayed a rare combination of good judgement and bravery.
He did well and deserves a pat on the back. No doubt the media will go overboard. So what in this case.
Conversely, a poor call of judgement or hesitation would invite media, legal and of course, management crucifiction.
A thin line the latter!
Nice bloke and am sure the usually tight techies will buy him a round on his next overnight.
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Not puting down the crew, fully agree they did a good job. Expect no less of any crew or pax that meet the same.
But,
and other pulling your chain comments are not only nauseous, but being the holder of an Australian passport, make me cringe with embarassment.
But,
THAT is the attitude that makes Aussie commercial aviation a great place to be.
Winstun
Your tone has mittigated toward accolades for the crew somewhat. Which is good.
What you expect in aviation and what you get are two different things. Human Factors really.
There were many possible outcomes to the events on that flight. Not all crews/passengers would have displayed the reflex bravery and good judgement witnessed.
Your a hard man and remember it may not always finish in the cabin. Human factors!
Your tone has mittigated toward accolades for the crew somewhat. Which is good.
What you expect in aviation and what you get are two different things. Human Factors really.
There were many possible outcomes to the events on that flight. Not all crews/passengers would have displayed the reflex bravery and good judgement witnessed.
Your a hard man and remember it may not always finish in the cabin. Human factors!
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Federal agent Stephen Cato confirmed the incident was a hijack attempt.
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Grow a brain Winstun. It will probably save you from a nasty cranial implosion.
Greg and the other crew and SLF did a great job in this case so accept it.
If the same attitude was taken on Sep 11, apart from UA53 where it would appear the passengers and crew did fight back then maybe it would be a different world today.
What is your problem? Was it raining film stars and you caught Woody Allen?
Sheesh!
EWL
Greg and the other crew and SLF did a great job in this case so accept it.
If the same attitude was taken on Sep 11, apart from UA53 where it would appear the passengers and crew did fight back then maybe it would be a different world today.
What is your problem? Was it raining film stars and you caught Woody Allen?
Sheesh!
EWL
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Gnadenburg,
Things can always be better or worse. Crew or pax, you do your best on the day whatever that might be. And this lot sure did well, there is no doubt. I say well done!
However, as an Australian, what I can't bear is people of the likes of EWL with their repetitive, patriotic, kindergarden pandering drivel.
Makes me wanna puke.
Things can always be better or worse. Crew or pax, you do your best on the day whatever that might be. And this lot sure did well, there is no doubt. I say well done!
However, as an Australian, what I can't bear is people of the likes of EWL with their repetitive, patriotic, kindergarden pandering drivel.
the pretty female F/A with a big old shiner
MY flight deck!! What a brilliant comment and a sign of commitment to ones Airline
If the same attitude was taken on Sep 11............then maybe it would be a different world today.
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Winstun
I can only assume you are not involved in travel. If you are, then the airline or company involved has a huge aggrivated wart on its butt.
Please God, you do not hold a commercial license. Same question one more time. What in hell is your problem?
Is the medication not working?
Puke away bucko. Some of us actually adore the industry we work in.
How are things at the shallow end of the gene pool?
EWL
I can only assume you are not involved in travel. If you are, then the airline or company involved has a huge aggrivated wart on its butt.
Please God, you do not hold a commercial license. Same question one more time. What in hell is your problem?
Is the medication not working?
Puke away bucko. Some of us actually adore the industry we work in.
How are things at the shallow end of the gene pool?
EWL