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Old 27th Sep 2023, 10:46
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**** them guys, go hard! The rest of the QF Group should refuse to break strike lines and go sick
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 10:57
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Less than 24 hours after the PIA results are released, the proposed EBA has been withdrawn. Ongoing discussions around claim areas are to be had and the company welcome the opportunity to have them.

Thats how you do it ...

Would staying at the table as one association did get the same result?
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 10:59
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
Less than 24 hours after the PIA results are released, the proposed EBA has been withdrawn. Ongoing discussions around claim areas are to be had and the company welcome the opportunity to have them.

Thats how you do it ...

Would staying at the table as one association did get the same result?
typical bully behaviour. Keep strong guys. Bend them over and drive that bus
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 11:01
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Originally Posted by Hollywood1
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I wonder what her definition of "Significant pay rise" is?
Out of interest what are the proposed rates vs what are the union seeking, and are there any other sticking points or issues leading to the Industrial action?

Legally approved actions leading to set objectives in all for but just downing tools to ‘stick it to them’ is ridiculous.
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 17:04
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Ok , Dr D...a drunken post if I may....

Network are a FIFO Charter and QF RPT Hybrid company....quite unlike a stable environment with which you'd choose to rase you family....and they have a lot of Jets.

Their current EA draft offering is 36 pages....there are no real protections for rosters, or layovers.....things of that nature.
There is no limit to rostered Reserve days....so they can be used as 'Place Holders' after roster release.
As reference, example, SH has 168 pages of protections....JQ has 78...Virgin has 120.

The next 6 years flying A320s is going to be harsh if it's not 'Future Proofed' now.....and that's for everyone...mindful of SH, as the feeling is that QF will use this NAA flexibility as a sneaky tool to undermine group flying as well.

The real fight here, is to bring the Network pilot's total conditions into the present day, and to prevent 'Same Job, Less pay' erosion of everyone else's conditions...read SH.
NAA Pilots are doing us all a big favour here.

Go Hard, Good Luck....and Thank You!
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 21:56
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Originally Posted by Hollywood1
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I wonder what her definition of "Significant pay rise" is?
And shes 'disappointed'
Well guess what bimbo, the pilots are fed up with the rhetoric so go suck eggs & come back with something worthwhile.
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 22:17
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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...654a97da46?amp

She can add this landmark precedent to her next offer too I reckon.
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 23:05
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
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She can add this landmark precedent to her next offer too I reckon.
And best of all it doesn't require different employers to agree to the multi employer bargaining.

Could this be the end of the road of the divide and conquer path?
It would require the different pilot groups to work together however, and well... Straya.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 01:22
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It would require the different pilot groups to work together however, and well... Straya.
I am hopeful that the past is not necessarily the best indicator of the future on this topic. Over the last twenty years divide and conquer has been successful but there seems to be a shift in the mindset of many ‘workers’ across all industries post Covid.
The stage has been set perfectly for aircrew and Engineers across Australia, at all levels to achieve significant improvements to their working conditions. There will always be those who dredge up the past and focus inwardly but they are not the majority. I think that we will see QF Mainline crews supporting pilots from Jetconnect , Jetstar pilots sending messages of support to Virgin pilots, Rex pilots supporting Bonza pilots, a final realisation that companies are pretty much all the same mish mash of lawyers and accountants with licence holders doing the work and taking the responsibility. If they’re a licence holder, you should be supporting their efforts to improve conditions if you want the same for yourself. Forget what company they work for, support the colleague.
If you get a chance to voice a similar attitude then do it because it may be the difference between letting this career path continue to decline or making it great again.
( keep in mind that I’m an optimist)
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 10:38
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It’s on! Ladies and gents - well done and keep up the good fight!

https://apple.news/A_lA_f5ypTRynqGnXQPOxPw

Qantas pilots who operate passenger, charter and fly-in-fly-out (Fifo) services in Western Australia will stop work for 24 hours next week, as workers negotiating a new pay deal complain of wages “significantly lower” compared to other airlines.

The Australian Federation of Air Pilots (Afap), which represents pilots employed by Network Aviation – a subsidiary of Qantas Group which operates Qantas Link, Fifo and charter services for the airline in Western Australia – said it notified Qantas management on Thursday afternoon about the stop work action.

Members will proceed with a 24-hour stoppage of all work on Wednesday 4 October.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 10:43
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I already had my appendix out but I bet it flares up again late on 3/10
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 10:46
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So does that mean that only pilots rostered to fly on the 4th will be stopping work? Will the other pilots gather at the airport with placards and in uniform to support them?
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 11:34
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Good one!
Hit them hard!
I expect y'all will be at Tibby's with a glass in your hand at 12.00 Wednesday.....
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Thinking of you guys. Good luck!
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 13:22
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Wow Network Pilots ! Hats off to you ! Thats a show of solidarity & sticking up for yourselves that's very impressive, 99% of Pilots on the same page is legendary.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 14:09
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So does that mean that only pilots rostered to fly on the 4th will be stopping work? Will the other pilots gather at the airport with placards and in uniform to support them?
My feeling is it won’t get that far. The mining companies will have a revolt on their hands if their workers are stuck on site for longer than necessary, and production may be impacted. They’ll be the ones who force a resolution IMO.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 15:11
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Picket line at the airport would be good to see what low lives are coming in and covering for the company
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 23:46
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What a contrast between the AFAP members (well, all but one of them) who clearly have had enough and are willing to stick their necks out and the reps or members of the other unions who were happy to accept another substandard deal! I hope you all know that you have near unanimous support from pilots, cabin crew, engineers and ground crew all over the country.

Does anyone know if the Network pilots manage to get yearly salary increases above 3% and/or reject the 2 year wage freeze, do those then automatically get applied to all the Qantas Group EBAs that have already been signed off so far with a 2 year wage freeze and 3% increases? If so, it should be called the Network allowance!

I also hope the Eastern, Sunstate and mainline SH pilots are seeing what happens when you threaten to go on strike. It's not 2011 anymore.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 23:59
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Way to go guys and girls, stick it to them.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 00:14
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Have heard the dreaded lurgy is spreading through mainline and all the subsidiaries with the start of school holidays...

To all the Network crew way to go - wishing the best for you and your families no matter what company or union -- now is the time.
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