QF144 Auckland to Sydney engine out
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This event is a good example of the difference between calling Mayday or Pan.
A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.
A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.
A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
I read passenger reports that praise the "pilot " as a " Hero " for getting then safely down.
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!
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Originally Posted by RodH
I read passenger reports that praise the "pilot " as a " Hero " for getting then safely down.
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
This event is a good example of the difference between calling Mayday or Pan.
A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.
A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.
A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
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Originally Posted by C441
And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
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Originally Posted by C441
And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
“PAN PAN PAN” = [We need] bread, bread, bread.
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No need for a smart arse reply. Same goes for Cat3508.
I was a LAME on them for 20 years and still maintain an interest in my old job.
I was a LAME on them for 20 years and still maintain an interest in my old job.
Originally Posted by fdr
It is actually a requirement under mat regulatory systems. It might seem excessive, but it gets the point across. A pan would seem to be adequate, but often the failure to communicate issues has led to bad days. Much of the world will only achieve curiosity from a Pan call.
During a type rating course on a modern twin we were pulled up for not declaring MAYDAY after an engine failure. His logic being we don’t know why the failure occurred and we are down to 1 engine.
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Originally Posted by roundsounds
I have inside information.....That’s obviously caused a build up of lead on the spark plugs resulting in the engine failure.
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Just remember next time you read ANY media reports, after seeing how they get basic facts wrong that we can verify from our knowledge, just how bad they are at reporting anything correctly.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Just remember next time you read ANY media reports, after seeing how they get basic facts wrong that we can verify from our knowledge, just how bad they are at reporting anything correctly.
Another Qantas International flight with problems, QF 101 had to return to SYD, was heading to Nadi.
