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Old 18th Jan 2023, 20:09
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I think it was one of 2 problems, they either ran out of petrol on that side, or it was a bent scroggly plate.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 20:30
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This event is a good example of the difference between calling Mayday or Pan.

A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.

A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 20:32
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I read passenger reports that praise the "pilot " as a " Hero " for getting then safely down.
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!



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Old 18th Jan 2023, 20:37
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Originally Posted by lagiace
The aircraft started a slow descent 40 minutes after t/o indicating engine problem. Very close to Auckland than Sydney.


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Old 18th Jan 2023, 20:49
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Originally Posted by RodH
I read passenger reports that praise the "pilot " as a " Hero " for getting then safely down.
In my 30+ years in the Airlines as a " Pilot " I have had engine failures on a DC3 , V832, B727,F27, L188 , DC9 and a B737.
It's so nice to know that I must be in the ranks of a " super Hero " for the amazing and fantastic feat of landing multi engine aeroplanes after an engine failure not once but on several occasions!!!!

But did you declare a “Rare Mayday”?
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:04
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But did you declare a “Rare Mayday”?
You just say "Mayday, Mayday" and make sure to stop before the third one overdoes it.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:13
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At least there was no problem with the hydraulic wings, unlike that Virgin flight the other day.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:16
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
This event is a good example of the difference between calling Mayday or Pan.

A Mayday has resulted in significant media attention whereas another QF operator has had 4 engine failures (on 2 engine jet aircraft) in very recent times and only declared Pan resulting in no media coverage.

A ‘full emergency’ results in all the local boys around the airport finding out and calling the media.
It’s still strange that the pax on the other 4 didn’t relate their terrifying ordeal to the media, those down the back would have had a plenty of opportunities to whip the iPhone out. The whole cluster has been very effectively hushed up somehow.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:22
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And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:37
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Originally Posted by C441
And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
Mayday is a loose translation of 'merde'
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:52
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Originally Posted by C441
And while we're at it….
For you media types 'listening' in, Pan-Pan is derived from the French word "panne", which means failure or breakdown. Pan-Pan most often refers to a mechanical failure or breakdown of some kind.
It is not an acronym for "Possible Assistance Needed".
I thought it derived from the Italian word for ‘bread’.

“PAN PAN PAN” = [We need] bread, bread, bread.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 21:54
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No need for a smart arse reply. Same goes for Cat3508.

I was a LAME on them for 20 years and still maintain an interest in my old job.

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Old 18th Jan 2023, 22:15
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Originally Posted by fdr
It is actually a requirement under mat regulatory systems. It might seem excessive, but it gets the point across. A pan would seem to be adequate, but often the failure to communicate issues has led to bad days. Much of the world will only achieve curiosity from a Pan call.
Unfortunately true.

During a type rating course on a modern twin we were pulled up for not declaring MAYDAY after an engine failure. His logic being we don’t know why the failure occurred and we are down to 1 engine.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 22:31
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And mayday derives from the French “m’aider”, help me, I think.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 22:44
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Originally Posted by roundsounds
I have inside information.....That’s obviously caused a build up of lead on the spark plugs resulting in the engine failure.
Yes, this is true. I know because the flight engineer told me.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 22:46
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Think about the story (“exposed engine parts” etc) in the Daily Telegraph, if you are ever tempted to read that rag. Worse than a waste of time.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 22:56
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Just remember next time you read ANY media reports, after seeing how they get basic facts wrong that we can verify from our knowledge, just how bad they are at reporting anything correctly.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 23:07
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Just remember next time you read ANY media reports, after seeing how they get basic facts wrong that we can verify from our knowledge, just how bad they are at reporting anything correctly.
That is very true.
Another Qantas International flight with problems, QF 101 had to return to SYD, was heading to Nadi.
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 23:12
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Thank God for GT. How can we ever know what happened without his thoughts and wisdom. Is it true the Captain is thinking I writing a book about it?
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Old 18th Jan 2023, 23:36
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I would like to reach out to GT!
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