New Satellites for ATC
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New Satellites for ATC
Soon, we will have more satellites then aircraft overhead Oz..
“..Australian-made satellites will soon be launched on a SpaceX rocket in a move designed to close gaps in the country's air traffic management.
They will help limit turbulence and ensure planes take the most efficient routes..”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ites/101813614
“..Australian-made satellites will soon be launched on a SpaceX rocket in a move designed to close gaps in the country's air traffic management.
They will help limit turbulence and ensure planes take the most efficient routes..”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ites/101813614
…….and being uniquely Australian, the system will require special equipment that is pricey and has no international support.
Why do these idiots keep making stupid technological decisions?
There is a huge trail…….. The NB N, Seasprite, at least four naval ship projects, not including Collins class or nukes, onesky(?) and soon - offshore wind farms.
Why do these idiots keep making stupid technological decisions?
There is a huge trail…….. The NB N, Seasprite, at least four naval ship projects, not including Collins class or nukes, onesky(?) and soon - offshore wind farms.
you forgot DMEA.
The Australian government purchasing policy for office supplies when applied correctly would require the sharp ends of a box of HB pencils to be cut off and the blunt ends sharpened "to suit Australian conditions".
Gne
The Australian government purchasing policy for office supplies when applied correctly would require the sharp ends of a box of HB pencils to be cut off and the blunt ends sharpened "to suit Australian conditions".
Gne
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…….and being uniquely Australian, the system will require special equipment that is pricey and has no international support.
Why do these idiots keep making stupid technological decisions?
There is a huge trail…….. The NB N, Seasprite, at least four naval ship projects, not including Collins class or nukes, onesky(?) and soon - offshore wind farms.
Why do these idiots keep making stupid technological decisions?
There is a huge trail…….. The NB N, Seasprite, at least four naval ship projects, not including Collins class or nukes, onesky(?) and soon - offshore wind farms.
What’s to say it’s not internationally supported?
Regardless, the concept is fantastic and might push more countries to do it.
Is he wrong in this case? Probably not. NBN being a case in point. Third world countries have better internet, And have a look at any armed forces acquisition over the last 20 years. Don't underestimate an Australians ability to **** up a project.
I’m not saying that bad decisions haven’t been made with various projects, but this is basically putting ADSB receivers on satellites is how I read it. It’s not like they’re reinventing the wheel to do it.
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Yes, but I'm tipping there'll be Australian interfaces with the purchased technology, Australian involvement is usually the problem. Australia tends not to buy 'off the shelf' they buy it, modify it and **** it up.
The most successful defence acquisition was the C-17 because it was off the shelf or nothing. Every time some mister-set-the-world-afire hero interferes with a defence spec it gets f*cked up. Actually, not just defence…ATC, NBN, highways, etc. Its all second rate at a very high price.
Morno;
Dear sweet Morno, I admire your optimism.
However; bad decisions have been made on so many government projects that its the successful ones that are the exception.
Yes, space based ADSB is a noble and virtuous project.
But your observation: "It’s not like they’re reinventing the wheel to do it." You Sir have yet to engage with the Australian bureaucratic mind!
Morno, to these folks, there is no international standard or product that cannot be (a) improved; (b) tinkered with for fun; (c) modified "to better suit Australian conditions"; (d) perverted into a gravy train for interested parties; or all four at once.
The change can be very subtle so that the damage is not apparent for many years after the money is spent.
For a hypothetical example, with reference to chapter 3 of the rough guide to the ADSB format,
https://mode-s.org/decode/book-the_1...-junzi_sun.pdf
Lets say I am a senior bureaucrat with an interest in bushwalking. lets add a teensy new ADSB message that allows "us" to use the system to track feral horses in Kosciusko national park.
There are stupid people around who make such changes,
I’m not saying that bad decisions haven’t been made with various projects, but this is basically putting ADSB receivers on satellites is how I read it. It’s not like they’re reinventing the wheel to do it.
However; bad decisions have been made on so many government projects that its the successful ones that are the exception.
Yes, space based ADSB is a noble and virtuous project.
But your observation: "It’s not like they’re reinventing the wheel to do it." You Sir have yet to engage with the Australian bureaucratic mind!
Morno, to these folks, there is no international standard or product that cannot be (a) improved; (b) tinkered with for fun; (c) modified "to better suit Australian conditions"; (d) perverted into a gravy train for interested parties; or all four at once.
The change can be very subtle so that the damage is not apparent for many years after the money is spent.
For a hypothetical example, with reference to chapter 3 of the rough guide to the ADSB format,
https://mode-s.org/decode/book-the_1...-junzi_sun.pdf
Lets say I am a senior bureaucrat with an interest in bushwalking. lets add a teensy new ADSB message that allows "us" to use the system to track feral horses in Kosciusko national park.
There are stupid people around who make such changes,
They will help limit turbulence and ensure planes take the most efficient routes..”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ites/101813614
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-...ites/101813614
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“In the vast majority of cases the capacity of an airport is determined not by the number or length of runways but by the ability of the surrounding airspace system and infrastructure to deliver aircraft to those runways and accept departures from them.”
Where the infrastructure includes the procedures, airspace classification, ATS available.
Gne
Where the infrastructure includes the procedures, airspace classification, ATS available.
Gne
Having just returned from the USA, I was amazed how quickly they move aircraft there. One was just starting to roll, whilst we were being lined up. Cleared for takeoff as the other is just getting airborne.
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Having just returned from the USA, I was amazed how quickly they move aircraft there. One was just starting to roll, whilst we were being lined up. Cleared for takeoff as the other is just getting airborne. Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait. They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Having just returned from the USA, I was amazed how quickly they move aircraft there. One was just starting to roll, whilst we were being lined up. Cleared for takeoff as the other is just getting airborne.
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Having just returned from the USA, I was amazed how quickly they move aircraft there. One was just starting to roll, whilst we were being lined up. Cleared for takeoff as the other is just getting airborne.
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
Not like Australia where you are at the holding point, one is already upwind and turning, another aircraft on a 3nm final and told to wait.
They often had 3 runways operating the same time, including cross strips. Is it just a lack of ability in the system here in Oz or what?
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So many experts.
So little time
So little time
Jetpig,
I am a few years out of ATC by now, but from what I can glean Aireon does not include a communication option; it seems to be ADS-B only.
The missing link may be real-time voice comms (any trans-Pacific pilots care to comment?). If this is the problem then Aireon seems not to be the answer, perhaps this is the niche that Skykraft has identified? As I recall this is still also an issue for some parts of Australia where HF still has to be used; and I imagine there are also vast tracts of the rest of the world where HF is still in use.
Best of luck to Mark Skidmore and his company.
I am a few years out of ATC by now, but from what I can glean Aireon does not include a communication option; it seems to be ADS-B only.
The missing link may be real-time voice comms (any trans-Pacific pilots care to comment?). If this is the problem then Aireon seems not to be the answer, perhaps this is the niche that Skykraft has identified? As I recall this is still also an issue for some parts of Australia where HF still has to be used; and I imagine there are also vast tracts of the rest of the world where HF is still in use.
Best of luck to Mark Skidmore and his company.