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Old 25th Mar 2023, 20:52
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Haha, it sounds like NJS crewing problems are over then!

Even if they manage to convince some DECs to join and take on the Air Commodore wannabes, it's doubtful they will hang about once they see what a mess the place is.

On the other hand, if the status quo in ADL and CBR are retired with the 717, then perhaps there could be a future there, just not a well-remunerated one!
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 21:07
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USA ALL THE WAY, it’s not that difficult to get a wife in the USA and as such a green card , AUSTRALIA maybe more appealing at the moment but future living in Australia will be worse than USA .
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 21:17
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Originally Posted by LostWanderer
There will be plenty of expats wanting to come home. The majority will never have a shot at the majors over there unless they win the green card lottery. The Visas they are employed on lock them to the employer "sponsoring" them - none of which are legacy airlines.
You may indeed be right however it’s a clear indication of the state of the market worldwide. Aussie airlines can’t hold onto the lie forever and expect to keep the flights crewed.

I’ll leave this here too…

https://www.aviationjobs.me/eb2-niw-...utm_source=web
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Old 25th Mar 2023, 22:11
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This mob had their chance of maintaining the good (sort of) conditions they had and 60% of them voted yes to a garbage EA. Absolute muppets!

Imagine being one of those yes voting dingbats that voted opposite what the union clearly said. What, you believed Network Aviation were going to expand and open 5 new bases and fly another new type!? Or what, Mainline was going to lower their conditions to operate your replacement aircraft? Get what you get muppets.

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Old 25th Mar 2023, 23:48
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Originally Posted by Ramboflyer 1
USA ALL THE WAY, it’s not that difficult to get a wife in the USA and as such a green card , AUSTRALIA maybe more appealing at the moment but future living in Australia will be worse than USA .

Australia is fast becoming a third world nation. Noone with half a brain will be staying here. Imagine starting out and your first airline gig you are forced to relocate to Sydney or Melb with Qlink, Rex, NJS! Your entire take home salary won't even cover the rent now. This country is done for. Even if someone doesn't want to move to the USA, they won't have a choice at this rate. America has alot of issues but atleast a pilot can afford a home!
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 00:51
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I put rents up 40% in Melbourne without a peep nor threat of VCAT. Dan came along a week later and took it back through Land Tax to pay for his COVID debt. I’ve never seen anything like this in Australia before. It is set to get worse. I could not imagine being a young Australian pilot these days based in capital cities. Operators will have to reluctantly facilitate regional commuting or sone other creative option.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 03:26
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I saw an advert the other day going the other way. FIFO Dash 8 jobs for Cobham Special Mission. Live in Capital city and commute to a remote town base. Looks like the only way that they hope to attract pilots.

https://www.seek.com.au/Cobham-Aviation-Services-jobs
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 04:41
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
I saw an advert the other day going the other way. FIFO Dash 8 jobs for Cobham Special Mission. Live in Capital city and commute to a remote town base. Looks like the only way that they hope to attract pilots.

https://www.seek.com.au/Cobham-Aviation-Services-jobs
They're also paying Dash 8 training captains in excess of $240000 AUD. This is how you attract quality candidates.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 04:53
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
I saw an advert the other day going the other way. FIFO Dash 8 jobs for Cobham Special Mission. Live in Capital city and commute to a remote town base. Looks like the only way that they hope to attract pilots.

https://www.seek.com.au/Cobham-Aviation-Services-jobs
Why doesn't Aviation deserve its own category/classification on job search websites? Similarly, I've been wrestling with surveys for several decades which never have "aviation" or "pilot" listed as an occupation.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 05:42
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Why doesn't Aviation deserve its own category/classification on job search websites? Similarly, I've been wrestling with surveys for several decades which never have "aviation" or "pilot" listed as an occupation.
It probably starts with the fact that “Pilot” isn’t a recognised profession. Despite the mountain of responsibility, immeasurable liability and the years of study, we rate along with the lowest of the unqualified blue collar workers when it comes to our titles as professionals.
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 07:53
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
This mob had their chance of maintaining the good (sort of) conditions they had and 60% of them voted yes to a garbage EA. Absolute muppets!

Imagine being one of those yes voting dingbats that voted opposite what the union clearly said. What, you believed Network Aviation were going to expand and open 5 new bases and fly another new type!? Or what, Mainline was going to lower their conditions to operate your replacement aircraft? Get what you get muppets.
Spot on aussieflyboy! Those muppets who voted yes are the ones complaining incessantly including the independent who sold out the group a Mr AC. Reap what you sow!
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 08:32
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". America has alot of issues but atleast a pilot can afford a home!"

Depends where you live even there - a lot of US pilots commute long distances - especially in California and the NE
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 08:45
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
". America has alot of issues but atleast a pilot can afford a home!"

Depends where you live even there - a lot of US pilots commute long distances - especially in California and the NE

I don't think any well rounded individual is going to move to commiefornia!
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Old 26th Mar 2023, 09:47
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
I don't think any well rounded individual is going to move to commiefornia!
there are some pretty right wing folk in that fair state
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 12:07
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this is what the US values A220 pilots at. Rates are in USD and roughly multiply by 1000 for rough salary

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Old 29th Mar 2023, 12:45
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Originally Posted by DashTrash.
this is what the US values A220 pilots at. Rates are in USD and roughly multiply by 1000 for rough salary
And up until very recently they were taking E3’s however they’re now fat with FO’s and mainly targeting direct entry captains.
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 13:10
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So what?

Meanwhile local Chinese pilots will work for a fraction of that.

neither market is Australia… so what’s the point?
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 13:13
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So what?

Meanwhile local Chinese pilots will work for a fraction of that.

neither market is Australia… so what’s the point?
My guess is DashTrash is giving perspective on what contracts could be like if the pilot group and unions came together to fight for higher rates?

Either way a rising tide lifts all boats, and I hope that tide reaches the Aussie shores.
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 05:19
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and if you want to know what JBLU or DAL think their A220 pilots are worth, you can add another 10% ..(+/-).. to the figures above
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Old 31st Mar 2023, 01:02
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NJS advertising again on QF careers page for A220 Trainers , line Capt’s and F/O’s … 100 hrs A220 and 6 month validity on a passport…. It doesn’t mention having a pulse yet, but it’s coming.
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