Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

CNS 33 HENDO Mess

Old 17th Nov 2022, 11:49
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,041
Received 41 Likes on 20 Posts
Internal comms were sent re this incident to ensure no one else falls into the same trap (of failing to select both the STAR and approach transitions).
This seems to be where we started. Its not a trap if it is a requirement to read back the transition as part of the clearance and then not insert it into the FMC then not cross checking it. An error would be for one pilot to omit the selection. In TEM parlance an error led to a UAS. Not a trap but a failure of procedures and proper monitoring. I will let you work out where a UAS leads if you even understand the term.

​​​​​​​It’s great to see that you hold your airmanship in such high regard.
Not really, just an example of taking the threat seriously. It doesn't take superior airmanship but it does take a modicum of attention to what will kill you if you don't pay attention to your environment.
Lookleft is offline  
Old 18th Nov 2022, 08:07
  #42 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: sincity
Posts: 1,144
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
.........
maggot is offline  
Old 19th Nov 2022, 05:53
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: .
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
This seems to be where we started. Its not a trap if it is a requirement to read back the transition as part of the clearance and then not insert it into the FMC then not cross checking it.
I'm pretty sure the Hendo Transition is not provided as part or the clearance, so nor is it read back by the crew. Working out that it needs to be selected is up to the crew. It is not always obvious, so yes, in a critical terrain environment such as this, it's a trap.
Xhorst is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2022, 08:14
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 2,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I'm pretty sure the Hendo Transition is not provided as part or the clearance, so nor is it read back by the crew. Working out that it needs to be selected is up to the crew. It is not always obvious, so yes, in a critical terrain environment such as this, it's a trap.
Yes this is the issue. The transition you read back is the STAR transition. You just have to know to put the approach transition and the STAR transition in the FMC and I don't believe it is uniform across the country.
neville_nobody is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.