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Propeller strap strikes passenger after take off from Canberra

Old 12th Nov 2022, 15:18
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post
I've more than 15,000 hours on type, and I would suggest such an action would be both the first and the last time any individual tried that!

By all means though, be my guest.
WOW! Hard to believe you around the Saab that long and yet don't know that it CAN be started with a mechanic holding the prop stationary. The time I recall vividly involved one mechanic holding the prop while another mechanic was up on a ladder with the cowl open checking something.
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 20:21
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Originally Posted by vegassun View Post
WOW! Hard to believe you around the Saab that long and yet don't know that it CAN be started with a mechanic holding the prop stationary. The time I recall vividly involved one mechanic holding the prop while another mechanic was up on a ladder with the cowl open checking something.
Wow Indeed mate.

Never saw it in all those years.
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 21:49
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post
Wow Indeed mate.

Never saw it in all those years.
I'm with Krusty, I've seen a LAME try to hang on in start, he let go pretty quickly.
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Old 13th Nov 2022, 20:38
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Anyone who has spent time at this company in the last few years won’t be surprised that a serious incident has occurred, or more correctly, a serious incident that wasn’t able to be swept under the carpet.
Yes please do elaborate.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 09:13
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron View Post
So, what I don't get is why they didn't reject the takeoff. Surely that's SOP if you hear a loud bang during the takeoff roll??
This has happened to me. It took me several seconds to process what had happened -startle factor is real- and by then we were in the air. Then smelt smoke. Disconcerting, but luckily all ended well. Perhaps if I was a better pilot I would have reacted faster. These days I tell myself just before rolling to be prepared for loud bangs.

BTW I've never seen a SOP that says 'reject TO if there's a loud bang".

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Old 16th Nov 2022, 12:35
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I’m guessing that PiperCameron has never captained a transport category aircraft before
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 12:18
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From a Facebook group, I see VH-VEQ is back flying in the meantime (and has been since at least 21 Dec).

In Post #24, Advance listed some quotes from 'The Australian': "Ashleigh Atkinson was in row six of the flight to Sydney and said just as the Saab 340 was about to take off, a woman screamed, and the front row was showered with debris"... “The flight attendant was trying to calm the woman down and saying ‘we need to wait until we’re at 1000 feet to tell the pilot’.”

I guess we will have to await ATSB report to understand when the strap hit the fuselage given "about to take off" could mean at the start of the takeoff roll or when aircraft was about to rotate (hopefully it wasn't an earlier phase than those?!). But what interests me more is the comment about having to wait until 1000 ft before informing the pilot(s). If that is a SOP, exactly what was the SOP? I would have thought something coming through the fuselage would warrant an immediate call even if the pilot workload might be high at that time. Would be interested to hear some (airline) pilot perspectives on this.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 12:32
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Sterile period. Usually start of the take off roll to gear up but I don’t know their SOP. Which begs the question how would cabin crew know the altitude?
Probably just making it simple to explain to the passenger.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 19:28
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Sterile is normally from doors shut to seat belt signs off after take off. Safety critical only communications.

No contact period is generally from application of take off power until gear up (or similar). Absolutely no contact to the flight deck even if the plane is on fire. This ends during an RTO once you’re stopped.

Pretty standard across the industry.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 21:10
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Also pretty standard is no comms with pilot during sterile period except for naked flames IN THE CABIN. Of course some airlines may differ. This FA did the correct thing. What could the pilots have done about it at low level. Nothing. Naked flames in the cabin, when she tells the crew, means she can be giver permission to unbuckle, grab the red bottle and fight the fire immediately.
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Old 27th Dec 2022, 21:41
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Interesting conundrum you raise Trevor.

Rather than wait to establish comms with the crew - which at best could be 15 seconds, if they're busy who knows how long? - I'd probably vote for initiative, jump up to fight the flames in their infancy rather than let them increase.

You can do anything you like - as long as the safest result is attempted and you can justify your actions.
Apologies for thread drift but found it an interesting scenario you described.

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Old 28th Dec 2022, 00:20
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Yeah you're right Galds. If Josh or Kythen showed that initiative I'd support them - support them, that is, when some important bonehead in the
safety department tries to stand them down for violating company SEP protocols.
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Old 28th Dec 2022, 23:41
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Bonehead in the safety department, big decision for the day is to have a latte at little lunch or at big lunch.
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Old 29th Dec 2022, 07:30
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Little lunch, if you have it at big lunch it's a combined break. You can stretch little lunch out a little longer.
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