Truck drivers earning $150 K - Good for them.
Well, I stand corrected then! Didn't think Dom NB pay had kept pace as well as it has, though I know that NWA isn't paying anything like that.
Errr, yes you can. The licence is the easy part, getting an operator to take you on may require experience, sound familiar?
https://www.ianwatsonsdrivingschool....ouble-mc-truck
https://www.ianwatsonsdrivingschool....ouble-mc-truck
This thread just keeps on giving.
Comparing one job to another is always problematic. Airlines in Australia will never pay more because VET loans mean supply far exceeds demand. Fools and their $120K... Well, taxpayers $120k.
Other industries don't have this issue. I know quite a few pilots who stopped flying during covid and are not going back. Mostly because they found they could do a $1000 TAFE certificate and get a job paying the same money. They can drop the kids at school, pick up a coffee, work from home with full flexibility and only go to the office two days a week. A lot of defence guys have gone back into staff officer jobs with similar conditions.
Comparing one job to another is always problematic. Airlines in Australia will never pay more because VET loans mean supply far exceeds demand. Fools and their $120K... Well, taxpayers $120k.
Other industries don't have this issue. I know quite a few pilots who stopped flying during covid and are not going back. Mostly because they found they could do a $1000 TAFE certificate and get a job paying the same money. They can drop the kids at school, pick up a coffee, work from home with full flexibility and only go to the office two days a week. A lot of defence guys have gone back into staff officer jobs with similar conditions.
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This thread just keeps on giving.
Comparing one job to another is always problematic. Airlines in Australia will never pay more because VET loans mean supply far exceeds demand. Fools and their $120K... Well, taxpayers $120k.
Other industries don't have this issue. I know quite a few pilots who stopped flying during covid and are not going back. Mostly because they found they could do a $1000 TAFE certificate and get a job paying the same money. They can drop the kids at school, pick up a coffee, work from home with full flexibility and only go to the office two days a week. A lot of defence guys have gone back into staff officer jobs with similar conditions.
Comparing one job to another is always problematic. Airlines in Australia will never pay more because VET loans mean supply far exceeds demand. Fools and their $120K... Well, taxpayers $120k.
Other industries don't have this issue. I know quite a few pilots who stopped flying during covid and are not going back. Mostly because they found they could do a $1000 TAFE certificate and get a job paying the same money. They can drop the kids at school, pick up a coffee, work from home with full flexibility and only go to the office two days a week. A lot of defence guys have gone back into staff officer jobs with similar conditions.
Not including the LH guys who are on the higher end of pay
As Im at a crossroads as to whether I should go back flying or not
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Mostly because they found they could do a $1000 TAFE certificate and get a job paying the same money. They can drop the kids at school, pick up a coffee, work from home with full flexibility and only go to the office two days a week. A lot of defence guys have gone back into staff officer jobs with similar conditions.
Junior site supervisors are entry level management positions. Comparing Apples and Dugongs. Seriously it does get hilarious the comparisons here. You'd have to been in the trade for a few years and hold some form of management qualification to be considered as well as show leadership and management traits. You might get a much lower paid supervisor role on half the money with lower quals, but those $100k plus paying jobs are multiple sites over $2mil values.
Like saying the store manager at coles earns $100k a year vs a captain at an airline, when the comparative role within the company is a checkout operator supervisor (who earns $1 per hour more than the check out operator).
Like saying the store manager at coles earns $100k a year vs a captain at an airline, when the comparative role within the company is a checkout operator supervisor (who earns $1 per hour more than the check out operator).
Quite a few TAFE courses are now free, for high demand occupations. Browse seek for Carpentry jobs, junior site supervisors up around $130k. You might get a car and phone thrown in on top of that.
It won't be before Piloting is down around that money, for a Captain that is.
It won't be before Piloting is down around that money, for a Captain that is.
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Uhhmm, no they're not, I was one in a previous life, you are **** kicking for the site supervisor, you are still on the tools.
I appreciate that you identify as an expert in literally everything, but not this one you're not bud.
Seriously, where do you come up with the rubbish? wiki? google? 'All chippie supervisor candidates must have a management qualification'
I appreciate that you identify as an expert in literally everything, but not this one you're not bud.
Seriously, where do you come up with the rubbish? wiki? google? 'All chippie supervisor candidates must have a management qualification'
Maybe you should read what you have to do to hold the job before you try to big note yourself, and we are talkinga bout the $120k+ jobs you are talking about. Don't squirm around and say you were talking about some lacky building a house.
BTW a lot mention salary package so that is including super, for contractors, not so great once you have to pay all your own stuff including super.
I mean I just found a job for a site manager on a $20million dollar hospital project, $160-$200k, guess I'll just walk out of my piloting job and take that.... can't be that hard heh?
I'll add being a site supervisor on a large construction build is only for certain personalities. You are the angry meat between the real management and the coal face, taking responsibility for who does what below you. And as you know the variation in skill and attitude in the trades is as variable as fingerprints. You'd want to be paid a lot to make up for all the stomach ulcers you end up with towards the end of a build.
I know two site supervisors personally and they are both on 150k + car + phone. One has no trade qualifications but has being doing supervision for about six years, the other has foreign chippie quals and has been supervising for two years.
A dear friend pays $500/day for smart self-starters helping him build sheds after approx 12 months.
Supervision just requires a firm hand with trades: no pay until the job is right. And it doesn’t take long to learn what is correct and what is not. And picking up tools to expedite the job isn’t the way to ensure the contracted trades meet their contracted obligations.
A dear friend pays $500/day for smart self-starters helping him build sheds after approx 12 months.
Supervision just requires a firm hand with trades: no pay until the job is right. And it doesn’t take long to learn what is correct and what is not. And picking up tools to expedite the job isn’t the way to ensure the contracted trades meet their contracted obligations.
Like most of those meat in the sandwich management jobs it either needs some form of formal qualifications, management experience or time in trade or some mix of all. Depends on the contract and needs.
That being said you could have been paid $700+ per day as a trade building the desal plant in Victoria due to a lot of government incompetence. And even in the airlines a line pilot at some airlines could be making more than a checkie working days off and extensions. But those are exceptions not the norm. I know a few captains on a SAAB who grossed over $200k for the year during 'pilot shortages'.
There's not a lot of people who can do this well, in the US it's probably easier to find ex military NCOs and the like that are suited, but the pay is high in Australia for a reason. No company is going to hire you on $100k+ a year without some talent/experience background and then stay hired as well you have to work for that cash.
I'd also say good luck to make trades work for free until the jobs completed on a large worksite that they could be working several months on, I think fairwork might be paying a visit before that. Again not talking about building private houses here.
That being said you could have been paid $700+ per day as a trade building the desal plant in Victoria due to a lot of government incompetence. And even in the airlines a line pilot at some airlines could be making more than a checkie working days off and extensions. But those are exceptions not the norm. I know a few captains on a SAAB who grossed over $200k for the year during 'pilot shortages'.
Supervision just requires a firm hand with trades: no pay until the job is right. And it doesn’t take long to learn what is correct and what is not. And picking up tools to expedite the job isn’t the way to ensure the contracted trades meet their contracted obligations.
I'd also say good luck to make trades work for free until the jobs completed on a large worksite that they could be working several months on, I think fairwork might be paying a visit before that. Again not talking about building private houses here.
I mean seriously, just go out and get an engineering degree and become a building manager, $200k+ a year depending on what you are looking after, bugger all work, most can be done from home now, task some techs to change lightbulbs and answer 'no' to any questions that tenants pose about changing stuff. Those are the jobs you need to compare with, they are easy and pay well...not stressful 6am to 10pm on call, dealing with idiots jobs. Or even easier, become an airline pilot...
I could easily make $100k+ as an ad manager, no real quals needed, just have to know the product and be able to lie convincingly that the person you are selling to really needs your product, when they don't, can even do it completely from home now. I don't because its soul destroying even though its easy money, besides flying is much more fun.
I could easily make $100k+ as an ad manager, no real quals needed, just have to know the product and be able to lie convincingly that the person you are selling to really needs your product, when they don't, can even do it completely from home now. I don't because its soul destroying even though its easy money, besides flying is much more fun.
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Quite a few options. Just about any kind of in demand skill you can find. Lucrative ones at the moment are project management and safety. Any trade skills (not even a completed trade) will put you a up a level because there is a genuine and long-term shortage of tradies, especially in aviation.
Referring to the previous comment, apprentices and workers who complete tasks under supervision start at $90k in the first year, and they still can't get enough. Safety advisors/managers with a Cert IV (One week/$1000 to complete) and industry experience (Crew or otherwise) are pulling between $120k and $235k, and that's only the people I personally know. If you're ex military is varies a lot too. Staff officers are generally making $130k-$200k depending on their qualifications.
Most of these jobs are only three days a week in the office, sleep at home 99% of the time.
Quite a few options. Just about any kind of in demand skill you can find. Lucrative ones at the moment are project management and safety. Any trade skills (not even a completed trade) will put you a up a level because there is a genuine and long-term shortage of tradies, especially in aviation.
Most of these jobs are only three days a week in the office, sleep at home 99% of the time.
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Some more examples of the rise in wages elsewhere…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tch-/101574710
New chefs expectation is $100,000 pa. Dishwashers now offered $55 an hour.
This is what happens when you close your borders to the backpackers and transient workers.
Before the numpties chime in, yes I have worked in a commercial kitchen and it is hard work. Chefs earn their money as do the truck drivers but it is still an interesting comparison to aviation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tch-/101574710
New chefs expectation is $100,000 pa. Dishwashers now offered $55 an hour.
This is what happens when you close your borders to the backpackers and transient workers.
Before the numpties chime in, yes I have worked in a commercial kitchen and it is hard work. Chefs earn their money as do the truck drivers but it is still an interesting comparison to aviation.
Some more examples of the rise in wages elsewhere…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tch-/101574710
New chefs expectation is $100,000 pa. Dishwashers now offered $55 an hour.
This is what happens when you close your borders to the backpackers and transient workers.
Before the numpties chime in, yes I have worked in a commercial kitchen and it is hard work. Chefs earn their money as do the truck drivers but it is still an interesting comparison to aviation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-...tch-/101574710
New chefs expectation is $100,000 pa. Dishwashers now offered $55 an hour.
This is what happens when you close your borders to the backpackers and transient workers.
Before the numpties chime in, yes I have worked in a commercial kitchen and it is hard work. Chefs earn their money as do the truck drivers but it is still an interesting comparison to aviation.
Female truckers
Referring to the previous comment, apprentices and workers who complete tasks under supervision start at $90k in the first year, and they still can't get enough. Safety advisors/managers with a Cert IV (One week/$1000 to complete) and industry experience (Crew or otherwise) are pulling between $120k and $235k, and that's only the people I personally know. If you're ex military is varies a lot too. Staff officers are generally making $130k-$200k depending on their qualifications.
I have a SoL in the gas industry.
From what he says, no one is permanent - all contract