Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Truck drivers earning $150 K - Good for them.

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Truck drivers earning $150 K - Good for them.

Old 27th Sep 2022, 02:48
  #61 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Eden Valley
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A QF domestic 737 F/O averaging say 75 hours per the 10 months a year at work. Adjusted for inflation, seems to me to be on par with the early 90’s. Perhaps you don’t live in the same suburbs these days due housing inflation.

Last edited by Gnadenburg; 27th Sep 2022 at 03:09.
Gnadenburg is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 02:48
  #62 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post

All of my builder mates are lately charging $900-1200/day wages plus whatever profit is in the quote. I have a friend with a crew of three erecting sheds that makes as much as a widebody captain. He is home every night and every weekend.
The ABS average wage for a full time worker in Australia 2022 is about $90k. Yet all these trade jobs apparently have pay several orders of magnitude above that (widebody Captain wage is 4-5 times above that). I think there may be a bit of “wage inflation” going on.

On edit…my daughter’s former school now costs $30K ++. That’s with after tax dollars too. And being the poorest kid in class does them no favours either.
I’ve always thought private school is the worst investment possible. Studies show by the time the kids hit university former public school students earn higher marks than privately educated ones.
dr dre is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 02:52
  #63 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Eden Valley
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When I was young, the elite private schools were loaded with kids whose Dad’s were airline pilots. TAA, Cathay, AN and QF. Now, few can afford it. One reason I’d send my kids to an elite private school is so’s they don’t think 150K a year is a freakin’ awesome wage!
Gnadenburg is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 03:19
  #64 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Eden Valley
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
I’ve always thought private school is the worst investment possible. Studies show by the time the kids hit university former public school students earn higher marks than privately educated ones.
That study isn’t supportive of your statement and I’d suggest pretty easily explained by motivation.

I love the studies you can find.

.
The study found that, after taking account of the different socio-economic background of students in school sectors, private schools are not associated with higher average student achievement in standardized literacy and numeracy tests at any grade
Send your kids to a private school to keep them away from bogans and their bogan parents.
Gnadenburg is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 03:48
  #65 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 355
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg View Post
That study isn’t supportive of your statement and I’d suggest pretty easily explained by motivation.

I love the studies you can find.

.

Send your kids to a private school to keep them away from bogans and their bogan parents.
Bogan maybe, only then to deal with hard narcotics. I went to an elite private. According to my parents, they had the same motivation in keeping away from derilects. Problem is, theyre just a different shade. Much like aviation companies really.
HappyBandit is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 03:52
  #66 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 1,213
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Best drugs you could buy when I was at highschool were from the Private School students.
Ollie Onion is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 04:13
  #67 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
…..

I’ve always thought private school is the worst investment possible. Studies show by the time the kids hit university former public school students earn higher marks than privately educated ones.
“..Studies show..” Actually, the studies the article linked to show the ‘results’ of the first year of university.

Perhaps the private school kids fail at not understanding the current fashionable ‘issues’ that the university’s are currently peddling..


At any rate, a lot of what passes for ‘education’ at university can be better learnt on-line now days.






Flying Binghi is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 07:24
  #68 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Aus
Posts: 1,961
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Best drugs you could buy when I was at highschool were from the Private School students.
I was a problem child and attended 2 different well know private schools and a few public schools. The only difference I found between them other than cost and uniforms was the illegal stuff that was present. The private school I was offered hard drugs, and guns, the dealers know who has money and target them, just like they target footballers and such.

The public schools most I ever saw around was reefers, dopeheads, dope was uncool at private school.

Education stats are also a farce, be very careful how they actually achieve this. Several exclusive schools I've been involved with will take your money and accept your child up to about year 10 with no issues, then if they are not averaging higher grades they will be pushed out of the school before year 11/12 so that the tested averages for the school remain high. That is then used to justify their higher fees as they claim being consistently in the top 10% etc. Public schools are no allowed to push students out as long as they are not disruptive, so they will always have lower averages for exam scores and uni entrance ratings.

Bullying can be a problem in the public system, but also have to remember most of those types filter out of the system by year 10 and drop out.

Out of the 100s I went to school with, the most successful individuals were through the public system. By successful I mean they definitively increased their standing in society from where they started. Most of the private school students went on to high paid jobs in line with or less than their parents achievements, whether the education helped, or more the family contacts is debatable, you will also get contacts in the private school environment. Some educated professions can also be a 'club' where certain avenues need to be adhered to. A large number of my public school student mates came from very little and rose to own their own businesses, one now owning an import wholesaler, several stores and restaurants. More of the public school people I know went in to their own businesses and have done fairly well.
43Inches is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 11:40
  #69 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
I was a problem child and attended 2 different well know private schools and a few public schools. The only difference I found between them other than cost and uniforms was the illegal stuff that was present. The private school I was offered hard drugs, and guns, the dealers know who has money and target them, just like they target footballers and such.

The public schools most I ever saw around was reefers, dopeheads, dope was uncool at private school.

Education stats are also a farce, be very careful how they actually achieve this. Several exclusive schools I've been involved with will take your money and accept your child up to about year 10 with no issues, then if they are not averaging higher grades they will be pushed out of the school before year 11/12 so that the tested averages for the school remain high. That is then used to justify their higher fees as they claim being consistently in the top 10% etc. Public schools are no allowed to push students out as long as they are not disruptive, so they will always have lower averages for exam scores and uni entrance ratings.

Bullying can be a problem in the public system, but also have to remember most of those types filter out of the system by year 10 and drop out.

Out of the 100s I went to school with, the most successful individuals were through the public system. By successful I mean they definitively increased their standing in society from where they started. Most of the private school students went on to high paid jobs in line with or less than their parents achievements, whether the education helped, or more the family contacts is debatable, you will also get contacts in the private school environment. Some educated professions can also be a 'club' where certain avenues need to be adhered to. A large number of my public school student mates came from very little and rose to own their own businesses, one now owning an import wholesaler, several stores and restaurants. More of the public school people I know went in to their own businesses and have done fairly well.
Seems schools now are infested with pedifiles pushing their sex change fetish’s.

Maybe Oz needs a new prime minister with a backbone… Like Italy for example…

“…Why is the family so frightening?

There is a single answer to all these questions. Because it defines us. Because it is our identity. Because everything that defines us is now an enemy for those who would like us to no longer have an identity, and to simply be the perfect consumer slaves. And so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity, they attack gender identity, they attack family identity. I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, women, mother, No. I must be citizen x, parent 1, parent 2……”

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/09/gi...fect-consumer/





​​​​​…
Flying Binghi is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 13:50
  #70 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: australia
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg View Post
A QF domestic 737 F/O averaging say 75 hours per the 10 months a year at work. Adjusted for inflation, seems to me to be on par with the early 90’s. Perhaps you don’t live in the same suburbs these days due housing inflation.
Don't know about that claim! An AN A320 captain was on around 210k in 2001and your RBA calc equates that to 336k in todays money. Now I'm pretty certain no narrow body operator is paying that.
exfocx is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 13:54
  #71 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: australia
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Got any evidence for your RW claims, Binghi?

Still sprouting crap like I think you were on CC 15 yrs ago.
exfocx is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 14:47
  #72 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,861
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Seems schools now are infested with pedifiles pushing their sex change fetish’s.
Honestly why do you persist on injecting your irrelevant politics into every thread? People trying to talk about pilot wages or the industry and you keep harping on about climate denial, anti vax or anti LGBT nonsense that has no relevance to the topic? Take it to JB.

Maybe Oz needs a new prime minister with a backbone
​​​​
Actually we just got a new one, the Australian people just rejected out a “traditional family values Christian” and put one with a backbone in. I’d take that as a sign Binghi that people are sick of your attempt to start a RW culture war in this country.

dr dre is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 22:03
  #73 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: sydney
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Don't know about that claim! An AN A320 captain was on around 210k in 2001and your RBA calc equates that to 336k in todays money. Now I'm pretty certain no narrow body operator is paying that.
sorry mate, wrong!
for 75 hrs narrow body command I’m on more than that
goose1 is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 23:44
  #74 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Eden Valley
Posts: 2,021
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Don't know about that claim! An AN A320 captain was on around 210k in 2001and your RBA calc equates that to 336k in todays money. Now I'm pretty certain no narrow body operator is paying that.
I’m pretty confident QF domestic has kept up with Ansett. You are also quoting OT to achieve 210K? As was I. I think my final salary was about 130K as an F/O and I didn’t chase OT. We were a ways ahead of the QF pilots at the time, I think they had a B Scale or something as well when they sent their cadets to the 737. Fast-forward 25 years and QF domestic F/O’s would make 190K doing 75 hours a month? Only trouble is blue chip Sydney and Melbourne terraces aren’t 500K- but suburban life must be going swimmingly well on that wage. That said, QF mainline has proven bulletproof career wise as an outsider. Although the thought of flying and living in Australia for your entire career now sounds dreary.
Gnadenburg is offline  
Old 27th Sep 2022, 23:46
  #75 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: australia
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
goose, are you including super and o/n allowances?
exfocx is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2022, 01:08
  #76 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 1,213
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Don't know about that claim! An AN A320 captain was on around 210k in 2001and your RBA calc equates that to 336k in todays money. Now I'm pretty certain no narrow body operator is paying that.
I am on track this year to make about that, including O/T though. Base $250k plus the allowances etc and that is a narrow body command.
Ollie Onion is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2022, 23:49
  #77 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by exfocx View Post
Got any evidence for your RW claims, Binghi?

Still sprouting crap like I think you were on CC 15 yrs ago.
15 plus years ago I were posting about my concerns of terrorists using GPS guided bomb carrying drones. On this forum I were roundly ridiculed with many abusive posts aimed my way. There were even a thread started called “Binghies Buzz Bombs”. Seems there were some back then that believed that small drones would never be able to carry bombs………







.
Flying Binghi is offline  
Old 28th Sep 2022, 23:54
  #78 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,404
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Honestly why do you persist on injecting your irrelevant politics into every thread? People trying to talk about pilot wages or the industry and you keep harping on about climate denial, anti vax or anti LGBT nonsense that has no relevance to the topic? Take it to JB.


​​​​
Actually we just got a new one, the Australian people just rejected out a “traditional family values Christian” and put one with a backbone in. I’d take that as a sign Binghi that people are sick of your attempt to start a RW culture war in this country.

The thread had moved on to education. Which sorta relates to the job ya gets..


As to starting a war in “this country” ? Hate to tells ya but PPRuNe is nowadays a fairly obscure Internet forum..







​​​​​…
Flying Binghi is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2022, 01:12
  #79 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: I prefer to remain north of a direct line BNE-ADL
Age: 47
Posts: 1,257
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
At the moment 75 hours a month would give an F/O around 220k including allowances, QF mainline 737. If you chase flying and work hard you can achieve 300k but that’s at pretty much max stick hour limit.
Angle of Attack is offline  
Old 29th Sep 2022, 02:44
  #80 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
I am on track this year to make about that, including O/T though. Base $250k plus the allowances etc and that is a narrow body command.
Aren't you at JQ?
das Uber Soldat is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.