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Old 29th Aug 2022, 03:04
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Originally Posted by teiemka View Post
Yes, we will, but is that person currently in the QF GMC?

......would it be possible for a successful internal candidate to change the current toxic relationship between management and employees?
1. Yes. Qantas has a habit of mentoring internal candidates from being virtual plebs to C-suite executive. My money is on Hudson as the most likely candidate. Ms Wirth can’t be ruled out, but Hudson the most likely successor as she has the stronger financial skills.
2. Not likely. The C-suite view the grunt workers as a drain on finances and a unionised pain in the ass. Ms Wirth has a particular dislike for ‘overpaid’ flight crew, as does Alan and Co. It would take a CEO like former suit James Strong to change the QF culture. Dixon passed on the hatred of staff to Alan, who in turn has passed that down to his acolytes. It’s now ingrained.

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Old 29th Aug 2022, 06:58
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......would it be possible for a successful internal candidate to change the current toxic relationship between management and employees?
It is known as the Upton Sinclair argument - "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 08:00
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I personally think he’ll stay until 2025 after the first Sunrise flight. He could’ve bailed out in 18/19 after returning the airline to profitability but stayed because they had the Sunrise plan coming up. He doesn’t need more money but wants the legacy to have introduced the longest flight route in existence.
AJ’s Legacy is a lot different when he can’t threaten to pull advertising spend.....anything missing(including embedded articles)?

https://michaelwest.com.au/another-m...hip-of-qantas/

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Old 29th Aug 2022, 08:41
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And this in the ABC:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-...oyce/101381056
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Last I saw REX don't outsource 30% of their flying
Last I saw REX don't crew their international flying with foreign workers
It is QF/JQ treating their staff like a cost that is easily outsourced

And not just kneel over, I would like this bullying dinosaur monopoly to go the same way as AN
Deano I don't know how old you are and I don't care, Maybe you were around when AN fell over, I was and I was there when it happened. You may or may not be aware that several pilots (and possibly other staff ) departed this life at their own hand after AN fell over.

To wish another airline or any company for that matter to go completely belly up and run the risk of these scenarios happening again shows a sick mind at work.

I don't work for QF.

Deano up til now you comments haven't bothered me one iota but this type of statement tells me you are a poor excuse for a human being.

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Deano I don't know how old you are and I don't care, Maybe you were around when AN fell over, I was and I was there when it happened. You may or may not be aware that several pilots (and possibly other staff ) departed this life at their own hand after AN fell over.

To wish another airline or any company for that matter to go completely belly up and run the risk of these scenarios happening again shows a sick mind at work.
However that is how capitalism works. Bankruptcy is ultimately a cleansing mechanism that keeps cleaning out the dead wood and enables new innovative entrants to come in. It also stops companies getting lazy. Just look what happens in industries when there is no real competition. The 737 is one very good example.

If your whole identity is tied up in one company and or your job then you have bigger issues that probably need to be dealt with by a professional.

That said even if QF did go broke I would be betting folding money that they will be nicely bailed out by the Labor government. They will fire the CEO and the board and recapitalise the airline with tax payers money. The management will walk away with the 10's of millions they have made and the public will be happy that QF still exist. Albanese will be hailed a hero for saving jobs etc etc.
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Old 30th Aug 2022, 05:06
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Originally Posted by hoss58 View Post
Deano I don't know how old you are and I don't care, Maybe you were around when AN fell over, I was and I was there when it happened. You may or may not be aware that several pilots (and possibly other staff ) departed this life at their own hand after AN fell over.

To wish another airline or any company for that matter to go completely belly up and run the risk of these scenarios happening again shows a sick mind at work.

I don't work for QF.

Deano up til now you comments haven't bothered me one iota but this type of statement tells me you are a poor excuse for a human being.

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Hoss I was around when AN collapsed and am aware of those that decided to end it all and obviously wish no person that outcome and was in no way referring to that side of things
I will however stand behind my post in saying that I truly wish QF/JQ would fail
It has been a toxic place to work under its current structure, it puts shareholder return above everything, AJ is plugging just holes in dykes ATM
Outsourcing, wet leasing, foreign crews, massive corporate pays, share buy backs, loss after loss and hundreds of new jets on order
Something will give very shortly
Yes there will be short term pain, but long term, this needs to happen
REX will eat away at their market share, AJ will lose this battle, the shareholders will revolt
The JQ Asian experiment was a disaster
JQ Darwin hub a disaster
Emirates deal another disaster
A380s a disaster
Post covid restart another disaster
And the list goes on

We need new blood in this industry not an old dinosaur
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Hoss I was around when AN collapsed and am aware of those that decided to end it all and obviously wish no person that outcome and was in no way referring to that side of things
I will however stand behind my post in saying that I truly wish QF/JQ would fail
It has been a toxic place to work under its current structure, it puts shareholder return above everything, AJ is plugging just holes in dykes ATM
Outsourcing, wet leasing, foreign crews, massive corporate pays, share buy backs, loss after loss and hundreds of new jets on order
Something will give very shortly
Yes there will be short term pain, but long term, this needs to happen
REX will eat away at their market share, AJ will lose this battle, the shareholders will revolt
The JQ Asian experiment was a disaster
JQ Darwin hub a disaster
Emirates deal another disaster
A380s a disaster
Post covid restart another disaster
And the list goes on

We need new blood in this industry not an old dinosaur
John Sharp is that you?
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Will the new airlines replacing the now perished Jetstar and Qantas be more or less safe? Does Safety matter to you Deano? Have you seen the insides of Qantas and Jetstar check and training vs say Bonza or Rex?
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Will the new airlines replacing the now perished Jetstar and Qantas be more or less safe? Does Safety matter to you Deano? Have you seen the insides of Qantas and Jetstar check and training vs say Bonza or Rex?
Having seen the inside of Network, NJS and Alliance who fly a large percentage of Qantas flights I can tell you there is little difference. They all do the absolute minimum to meet CASA requirements of holding their AOC.
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Originally Posted by Mr_App View Post
Will the new airlines replacing the now perished Jetstar and Qantas be more or less safe? Does Safety matter to you Deano? Have you seen the insides of Qantas and Jetstar check and training vs say Bonza or Rex?
So are you calling REX and the yet to fly Bonza unsafe?
It would seem to me that there have been plenty of maintenance issues for Qantas

Search results for "Qantas" AvHerald

Incident Qantas B738 at Queenstown on Aug 8th 2022, engine shut down in flight
Accident Qantas A332 at Sydney on Dec 15th 2019, hydraulic leak prompts evacuation
Incident Sunstate DH8D at Tamworth on May 29th 2022, hydraulic failure
Report Qantas B789 at Melbourne and Los Angeles on Sep 22nd 2021, flew across Pacific with fan cowl static port covers on
Report Express Freighters B733 at Melbourne on Jul 6th 2021, uncontrolled pressurization change
Incident Eastern Australia DH8C near Mildura on Jan 30th 2022, loss of cabin pressure
Incident Qantas B789 at Sydney on Jun 21st 2021, gear problem on departure
Incident Qantas B738 near Kalgoorlie on Oct 25th 2021, fuel imbalance and engine shut down in flight
Incident Sunstate DH8D at Port Moresby on Mar 16th 2020, smoke in cockpit
Accident Express Freighters B733 near Canberra on Aug 15th 2018, loss of cabin pressure, first officer incapacitated
Incident Sunstate DH8D at Brisbane on May 13th 2021, unsafe gear
Incident Qantas A332 near Adelaide on Feb 4th 2021, loss of cabin pressure
Incident Qantas B789 at London on Feb 9th 2020, tail strike indication on departure
Report Sunstate DH8D near Brisbane on Jun 26th 2018, uncommanded engine shut down in flight due to confusing maintenance procedures, prop did not feather
Incident Qantas A333 at Sydney on Jun 1st 2018, engine shut down in flight
Incident Qantas A332 near Brisbane on Apr 15th 2018, loss of thrust
Incident Qantas A332 near Broome on May 13th 2019, electrical fault
Report Eastern Australia DH8C near Whyalla on Aug 8th 2019, inflight deployment of ditching dam
Incident Qantas A332 at Sydney on Feb 12th 2020, hydraulic failure on touch down
Incident Qantas A332 at Melbourne on Jan 26th 2020, could not retract gear
Incident Qantas A332 at Perth on Jan 16th 2020, hydraulic failure
Incident Qantas A332 at Brisbane on Dec 8th 2019, rejected takeoff due to electrical problems
Incident Qantas B738 near Christchurch on ov 18th 2019, problem with navigation computer
Incident Qantas B738 at Wellington on Nov 16th 2019, asymmetric flaps
Incident Sunstate DH8D at Brisbane on Sep 29th 2019, blew tyre on departure
Incident Sunstate DH8D at Cairns on Sep 23rd 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident Qantas B744 over Pacific on May 12th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Accident Qantas B744 near Hong Kong on Apr 7th 2017, stick shaker activation in holding pattern injures 15 passengers
Incident Qantas B738 near Adelaide on Mar 5th 2019, cabin pressure problems
Incident Qantas B738 near Cairns on Feb 10th 2019, burning odour in the flight deck
Incident Qantas A388 at London on Feb 7th 2019, cargo door indication
Incident Qantas B744 over Tasman Sea on Nov 6th 2018, engine trouble
Incident Qantas A388 over Pacific on May 20th 2017, engine shut down in flight
Incident Qantas B744 near Perth on Oct 6th 2018, fuel pump issue
Incident Qantas A388 near Sydney on Sep 26th 2018, crushed phone and burnt smell on board
Incident Qantas A388 near Sydney on Aug 28th 2018, oh happy door
Accident Rovos Rail CVLP at Pretoria on Jul 10th 2018, engine problem
Incident Alliance F100 near Longreach on Jul 16th 2018, engine failure
Incident Qantas A388 near Astrakhan on Jul 8th 2018, low engine oil quantity
Report Qantas B744 at Hong Kong on Oct 5th 2016, engine pylon cracks detected
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Old 30th Aug 2022, 09:32
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To be fair here are the results for REX



Report REX SF34 at Perth on Jul 6th 2021, stick shaker activation
Incident REX SF34 at Adelaide on Aug 20th 2019, wheel fracture
Incident REX SF34 near Merimbula on Aug 29th 2019, engine fire indication
Report REX SF34 at Esperance on May 26th 2018, de-icing boot failure
Incident REX SF34 near Sydney on Mar 17th 2017, propeller detached in flight
Incident Rex SF34 at Adelaide on May 12th 2018, hydraulic failure
Incident REX SF34 near Cairns on Feb 1st 2018, engine problems
Incident REX SF34 at Dubbo on Mar 23rd 2017, engine shut down in flight
Incident REX SF34 at Ballina on Aug 23rd 2016, engine shut down in flight
Incident REX SF34 at Dubbo on Jul 24th 2015, electrical problems
Incident REX SF34 enroute on May 20th 2015, hydraulic problem
Incident REX SF34 near Orange on Jan 12th 2015, suspected fuel leak, smell of fuel on board
Incident REX SF34 near Moruya on Mar 9th 2012, engine shut down in flight
Incident REX SF34 near Griffith on Jan 1st 2011, engine shut down in flight
Incident REX SF34 at Wagga Wagga on Oct 4th 2009, engine failure
Incident REX SF34 at Sydney on Feb 6th 2009, left main gear wheel failure
Report REX SF34 at Orange on Jul 6th 2008, lost wheel on takeoff
Incident REX SF34 near Griffith on Jun 9th 2009, hydraulics failure
Incident REX SF34 at Sydney on Feb 6th 2009, left main gear wheel failure
Incident Rex SF34 near Cobar on Nov 13th 2008, avionics went blank
Report Rex SF34 at Sydney on Aug 5th 2007, curry fumes in cabin and cockpit
Incident Rex SF34 at Orange on Jul 6th 2008, lost wheel after takeoff
Incident REX SF34 near Wagga Wagga on June 22nd 2008, engine inflight shut down

Note going back to 2007 where as Qantas had so many only could search to 2016
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Old 30th Aug 2022, 09:37
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Jetstar

Incident Jetstar A320 at Sydney on Aug 1st 2019, landing gear trouble after departure
Incident Jetstar A320 at Brisbane on Oct 23rd 2020, rejected takeoff due to engine failure
Incident Jetstar A320 at Proserpine on Mar 5th 2020, damage to hydraulic line and landing gear
Incident Jetstar B788 near Osaka on Mar 29th 2019, both engines temporarily rolled back
Incident Jetstar A320 near Mildura on Mar 17th 2020, cargo smoke indication
Incident Jetstar NZ DH8C near Auckland on Oct 13th 2019, engine shut down in flight
Incident Jetstar A320 at Coolangatta on Dec 18th 2017, failure of thrust reverser
Incident Jetstar A320 near Brisbane on Mar 29th 2019, electrical problems
Report Jetstar A320 at Sydney on Sep 20th 2018, thrust reversers did not deploy
Incident Jetstar B788 over Pacific on Jan 6th 2019, anti-ice failure
Accident Jetstar A320 at Melbourne on Oct 20th 2018, odour sickens two flight attendants
Incident Jetstar A320 at Melbourne on May 5th 2018, gear problem after departure
Incident Jetstar A320 at Hobart on Apr 14th 2018, altitude discrepancy after landing
Incident Jetstar A321 at Melbourne on Apr 11th 2018, hydraulic leak
Incident Jetstar A320 over Tasman Sea on Oct 28th 2017, spitting engine
Accident Jetstar A320 near Coolangatta on Dec 20th 2017, fumes on board
Incident Jetstar B788 near Darwin on Dec 21st 2015, airspeed fluctuations and difficulties to maintain altitude
Incident Jetstar A320 near Brisbane on Sep 22nd 2016, haze in cabin, engine shut down in flight
Incident Jetstar A320 at Launceston on Jan 15th 2017, nose gear steering problem
Incident Jetstar B788 near Guam on Aug 6th 2016, engine shut down in flight
Incident Jetstar A321 at Sydney on Jun 19th 2016, unusual odour
Incident Jetstar A320 at Darwin on Feb 16th 2016, haze in cabin
Incident Jetstar A320 at Auckland on Dec 12th 2015, engine problem
Incident Jetstar A320 enroute on Dec 11th 2015, hydraulic failure
Incident Jetstar A320 at Sydney on Dec 3rd 2015, enlightened oven
Incident Jetstar A320 at Perth on Oct 16th 2015, brakes problem
Incident Jetstar Japan A320 near Tokyo on Sep 20th 2015, burning odour in cockpit
Incident Jetstar A321 near Newcastle on Jun 22nd 2015, odour in cabin
Incident Jetstar A320 near Rockhampton on Jun 8th 2015, fumes in cabin
Incident Jetstar A320 near Solomon on Jun 2nd 2015, fumes in cabin
Incident Jetstar A320 at Coolangatta on Feb 3rd 2015, engine problems
Incident Jetstar B788 over Pacific on Dec 2nd 2014, oil quantity indication
Report Jetstar A320 at Auckland on Sep 7th 2013, alpha floor activation
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It was more a question vs a statement. Anyway, I get your point.

Deano, so who would replace QF and JQ? Does VA and ZL plug the holes? Pretty big networks to try and cover. Would take years and years.
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
obviously wish no person that outcome and was in no way referring to that side of things
Yet you want the airline group to fail and put 70% of current Australian airline pilots out of a job.

It has been a toxic place to work
So why do very few pilots (mainline) resign for greener pastures? To me a toxic place is one where 10% of pilots resign in a week.

REX will eat away at their market share, AJ will lose this battle, the shareholders will revolt
Really? Shares up 16% since last week’s results, Rex up 0%.

The JQ Asian experiment was a disaster
Vietnam and HK yes, SIN and JPN not so


A380s a disaster
Whilst in hindsight they probably wouldn’t have bought them as of today they’d wish they’d had all A380 capacity already back. It would be making money for them if they did.

Post covid restart another disaster
Not worse than VA’s restart.

And the list goes on
You missed:
Consecutive multi year billion dollar profits from 16-19, which no Australian airline could match.


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Note going back to 2007 where as Qantas had so many only could search to 2016
Are you serious? Almost 300 A/C in QF group vs 50 in Rex. If you’re going to troll you need to improve
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You have so much spare time JS, don’t you have a jet fleet to grow!
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Hoss I was around when AN collapsed and am aware of those that decided to end it all and obviously wish no person that outcome and was in no way referring to that side of things
I will however stand behind my post in saying that I truly wish QF/JQ would fail
So its pointed out to you that a large scale airline failure will without question lead to the deaths of fellow pilots, with evidence to back up that assertion via the AN collapse. You acknowledge the reality of this, and then double down wishing for 70% of Australian pilots to lose their jobs anyway, and who knows how many to die, because "It has been a toxic place to work under its current structure"

Have you ever even worked for JQ or QF?

Honestly, what is wrong with you?

You don't like Qantas. Ok mate, "cool". Don't fly them, problem solved. The rest is absolute drivel that I've no doubt you'd rapidly fail to parrot in the physical presence of any of the people who would be affected by your malicious little fantasy.

Most people when they get the 'try again in 6 months letter' just get over it mate. This is spiteful, puerile nonsense.
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I do find the QF egotists funny though, anyone that disagrees with the roo loyalists is somehow a failed applicant. I can say I don't like QF in its current iteration and you wont find me down the back of a J* dumpster any time soon, but I definitely don't wish them broke or such. My comments are purely observations of the operation and management. 10 years ago I was much more in favor of QF over VA, now I'd rather catch the train, QF service is rock bottom now, barely a feed and all 4 domestics about the same offerings and cost and if QF and VA actually have a schedule I'm yet to see it work.
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I do find the QF egotists funny though, anyone that disagrees with the roo loyalists is somehow a failed applicant. I can say I don't like QF in its current iteration and you wont find me down the back of a J* dumpster any time soon, but I definitely don't wish them broke or such. My comments are purely observations of the operation and management. 10 years ago I was much more in favor of QF over VA, now I'd rather catch the train, QF service is rock bottom now, barely a feed and all 4 domestics about the same offerings and cost and if QF and VA actually have a schedule I'm yet to see it work.
Who are you replying to? You haven't posted in pages and suddenly this?

Why do I get the feeling you just accidently logged into the wrong account and are actually this Deano muppet?
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