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ACMS, no one really wants to see Rex fail, but most of us have seen this kind of wacky business plan before.
What I would like to see is Rex T & Cs improve dramatically. An airline flying 737s for shit money just puts downward pressure on the rest of us.
What I would like to see is Rex T & Cs improve dramatically. An airline flying 737s for shit money just puts downward pressure on the rest of us.
I’m just sick and tired of all the crap I see in here from people with agendas and ulterior motives keen to destroy good peoples jobs.
The best way forward to not destroy good people's jobs, is for these time wasting, family destroying operations to not exist at all. Just remember what Sharpy said to the media, "We are going to rip away all those entitlements those Pilots have built up over the years, 10% below Jetstar". Now with an attitude like that, I hope it falls over tomorrow, zero place within this industry for operations like that.
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
ACMS are you seriously telling me that there is a business case for 30 737s to be thrown on domestic? You wonder why nobody has faith in this? Because it’s not possible. Unless you can tell me how it can be done? I mean go and double our population tomorrow and for sure.
Trying to compare like for like below
LAX-SFO 32 flights per day 6 carriers
SYD-MEL 70 flights per day 4 carriers including JQ
LAX-DEN 18 flights per day 4 carriers
MEL-BNE 29 flights per day 4 carriers including JQ
LAX-BOS 15 flights trans continental 4 carriers
MEL-PER 15 flights trans continental 3 carriers including JQ
BOS-MIA 11 flights per day 4 carriers
MEL-OOL 18 flights per day 4 carriers including JQ
Yea, if QF/JQ did not have a 60% monopoly, then absolutely Australia has the population to support more than 2 carriers and an offshoot LCC
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Right, so the same will be said about Bonza in a year or two when its fantasy business plan falls over, if it even gets up. Nobody asked them to start some wacko business model, yet when it collapses or moves onto Plan B,C, D, we are shot down if we question it? Soooo...they are giving good people jobs....how about we look after each other....Hmm..no they are destroying this profession with terrible contracts alongside destroying families when "the time comes". If you looked closely at its planned operating model and contracts, it is in the best interest of this industry if it actually never gets up. Thousands of people and families will be spared.
The best way forward to not destroy good people's jobs, is for these time wasting, family destroying operations to not exist at all. Just remember what Sharpy said to the media, "We are going to rip away all those entitlements those Pilots have built up over the years, 10% below Jetstar". Now with an attitude like that, I hope it falls over tomorrow, zero place within this industry for operations like that.
The best way forward to not destroy good people's jobs, is for these time wasting, family destroying operations to not exist at all. Just remember what Sharpy said to the media, "We are going to rip away all those entitlements those Pilots have built up over the years, 10% below Jetstar". Now with an attitude like that, I hope it falls over tomorrow, zero place within this industry for operations like that.
No I’ve just worked a few hundred people who have had careers and families destroyed by fantasy business models. Perhaps you could start a new airline for us with your grand plans and I’ll come take a job with you, sounds like you will be able to provide me with a very long and stable career.
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
No I’ve just worked a few hundred people who have had careers and families destroyed by fantasy business models. Perhaps you could start a new airline for us with your grand plans and I’ll come take a job with you, sounds like you will be able to provide me with a very long and stable career.
Where are the so called long stable careers in aviation?
Ansett had a long life but went busto
Even QF you can't say long and stable, what with JST, NJS, NWK, EAQ, SSQ and EFA all being run as separate entities to lower costs
May as well throw UTY into the mix if Qantas gobbles them up
Look PoppaJo, let's be honest...
Since the protectionist 2 airline agreement ended there has been a steady stream of airlines trying to get a foothold in Australia
Until now they have all been bullied into bankruptcy by mainly QF and to a lesser extend AN and VB/VA in an effort to satisfy their shareholders by protecting market share at a significant cost through price wars and promotions
I say until now because REX started with a substantial footprint and are lean plus they have some financial backing, they have taken the fight to Qantas and are still standing, even looking promising and although the war of words from Sharpie may sound like whinging, many of his points are valid
Even if Qantas can quash REX jet, there will be another willing to take their place and another and another, because in any industry when one player holds 60% market share, they are vulnerable
Poppa, Aviation is evolving and there will be a steady parade of start ups and failures, even legacy carriers that have 60+ years of operations are failing, it's time to get with the times and shop around for your best path forward
Originally Posted by ACMS
yeah sure, like half of the punters in QF 737 domestic aren’t staff on leisure travel or duty travel. Many times I’ve travelled QF and over half the seats were NOT full fare J pax……Pilots, flight attendants in uniform swamp J class a lot.
come on, do better.
come on, do better.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
No I’ve just worked a few hundred people who have had careers and families destroyed by fantasy business models. Perhaps you could start a new airline for us with your grand plans and I’ll come take a job with you, sounds like you will be able to provide me with a very long and stable career.
I am all for sustainable competition. I am not all for wacko business plans. I think there is room for someone to replace Tiger and do a better job at it, they had significant Sydney slots, just terrible management with poor fleet choices. Jetstar is a strong business because Tiger was weak. Bonza should really be doing what Tiger did, and bigger, then taking on the Star. But...
I don't think Mildura to Sunny Coast is the answer nor is another premium player.
The market wants more low cost competition on the main leisure routes. Have you seen Cairns lately? Going nuts. Rex nowhere in sight and Bonza should really be calling the Far north home. That will start to hit Jetstar and provide competition. Flying 50 punters mid week around the triangle is a waste of time.
I don't think Mildura to Sunny Coast is the answer nor is another premium player.
The market wants more low cost competition on the main leisure routes. Have you seen Cairns lately? Going nuts. Rex nowhere in sight and Bonza should really be calling the Far north home. That will start to hit Jetstar and provide competition. Flying 50 punters mid week around the triangle is a waste of time.
Last edited by PoppaJo; 14th Aug 2022 at 09:39.
Originally Posted by maesaithwameh
It will all boil down to whether the market prefers the LCC model or a cheap full service model. If it's the latter, then it's just a matter of time before the competition begins to take some of the market share. Not all, but enough to make an impact so that JQ will actually have to start delivering better service.
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Flying 50 punters mid week around the triangle is a waste of time.
Plenty of evidence to the contrary
I'll throw some numbers for Wednesday this week so you can eat your words
Whilst the numbers below are not the final count as some seats had not been allocated, it surely disproves your estimates
Outbound average economy seats
Thursday average 109.4 (lowest number 51 ZL 18)
Friday average 122.4 (lowest number 77 ZL 489)
Saturday average 121.3 (lowest number 51 ZL 616)
Sunday 131.2 (lowest number 94 ZL 540)
Today so far with some still to be allocated 109.8 (lowest number 65 ZL 182 at the moment)
Where is your claimed 50 seats Jo ?
Just in comparison the remainder of VA MEL-SYD today has an average of 99.9 (lowest 47)
Originally Posted by Deano969
Really Jo you are sticking to 50 eh.....
Plenty of evidence to the contrary
I'll throw some numbers for Wednesday this week so you can eat your words
Whilst the numbers below are not the final count as some seats had not been allocated, it surely disproves your estimates
Outbound average economy seats
Thursday average 109.4 (lowest number 51 ZL 18)
Friday average 122.4 (lowest number 77 ZL 489)
Saturday average 121.3 (lowest number 51 ZL 616)
Sunday 131.2 (lowest number 94 ZL 540)
Today so far with some still to be allocated 109.8 (lowest number 65 ZL 182 at the moment)
Where is your claimed 50 seats Jo ?
Just in comparison the remainder of VA MEL-SYD today has an average of 99.9 (lowest 47)
Plenty of evidence to the contrary
I'll throw some numbers for Wednesday this week so you can eat your words
Whilst the numbers below are not the final count as some seats had not been allocated, it surely disproves your estimates
Outbound average economy seats
Thursday average 109.4 (lowest number 51 ZL 18)
Friday average 122.4 (lowest number 77 ZL 489)
Saturday average 121.3 (lowest number 51 ZL 616)
Sunday 131.2 (lowest number 94 ZL 540)
Today so far with some still to be allocated 109.8 (lowest number 65 ZL 182 at the moment)
Where is your claimed 50 seats Jo ?
Just in comparison the remainder of VA MEL-SYD today has an average of 99.9 (lowest 47)
ZL9 SYDMEL 62
ZL328 SYDBNE 59
ZL31 SYDMEL 85
ZL540 SYDOOL 39
ZL348 SYDBNE 92
ZL125 SYDMEL 85
ZL141 SYDMEL 78
ZL384 SYDBNE 60
ZL161 SYDMEL 61
Originally Posted by Gunner747400
....and what about tomorrow's numbers Deano? They look pretty abysmal to me, doubt they would be making any money.
ZL9 SYDMEL 62
ZL328 SYDBNE 59
ZL31 SYDMEL 85
ZL540 SYDOOL 39
ZL348 SYDBNE 92
ZL125 SYDMEL 85
ZL141 SYDMEL 78
ZL384 SYDBNE 60
ZL161 SYDMEL 61
ZL9 SYDMEL 62
ZL328 SYDBNE 59
ZL31 SYDMEL 85
ZL540 SYDOOL 39
ZL348 SYDBNE 92
ZL125 SYDMEL 85
ZL141 SYDMEL 78
ZL384 SYDBNE 60
ZL161 SYDMEL 61
Originally Posted by Gunner747400
That's booked pax mate, not those that have checked in....
Lets see if your numbers hold tomorrow
All airlines could have 100% booking means nothing unless the infrastructure is there to move ppl through the security gates. Sydney this morning was a mess again, Australia biggest airport is becoming an embarrassment.
As for how Rex are really going we will find out about the 29th August see what spin they release QF on the 25th and VA is a big secret still.
As for how Rex are really going we will find out about the 29th August see what spin they release QF on the 25th and VA is a big secret still.
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Do I need to speak in another language? The data is useless until post departure. It all means nothing until then.
So how's REX doing in their SAAB's up against QF
From SYD
CFS 32.6 av. or 2 seats unsold today
PQQ 12.5 av. not so good 37%
OGA 23 av. 67%
WGA 22 av. 65%
ARM 16.6 av. 48%
DBO 25.2 av. 74%
ABX 25.75 av. 75%
Overall against QF on established, new and QF attacked routes average 22 seats out of 34 or 65% load factor
