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Old 1st Jan 2023, 08:40
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If the country had the microscope on this airline like they do for Qantas, it would be front page news.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 04:07
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
If the country had the microscope on this airline like they do for Qantas, it would be front page news.
Yes, Rex's SAABs seem to feature fairly regularly in ATSB reports and the mainstream media. For all sorts of things one would not normally associate with an airline.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 06:07
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Yes, Rex's SAABs seem to feature fairly regularly in ATSB reports and the mainstream media. For all sorts of things one would not normally associate with an airline.
Really?
No more than dash 8s or other QF birds
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 07:11
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Really?
No more than dash 8s or other QF birds
This thread is about Rex, not Dash 8s or other types operated by Qantas.

Recent ATSB investigations for Rex SAABs in 2022 alone: 2022-066, 058, 054, 019.
And another two in the same year for SAABs operated by Link (2022-055, 050).

For DHC-8 variants I can only see 2022-056, 031.

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Old 3rd Jan 2023, 01:47
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Originally Posted by parishiltons View Post
This thread is about Rex, not Dash 8s or other types operated by Qantas.

Recent ATSB investigations for Rex SAABs in 2022 alone: 2022-066, 058, 054, 019.
And another two in the same year for SAABs operated by Link (2022-055, 050).

For DHC-8 variants I can only see 2022-056, 031.
So if this is only about REX why mention Link ?
BTW the initial post by Ladloy was comparing QF to ZL that was why I responded to your post replying to Ladloy IMO on topic....
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Old 3rd Jan 2023, 04:15
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
So if this is only about REX why mention Link ?
BTW the initial post by Ladloy was comparing QF to ZL that was why I responded to your post replying to Ladloy IMO on topic....
I mentioned Link (as a SAAB operator in Australia whose aircraft feature in ATSB investigations) just in case someone thought I was picking on Rex.
The comment in Ladloy's post is correct. My response to it brought the topic back to Rex.
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Old 3rd Jan 2023, 05:03
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Judging by the disrepair of their SAAB fleet, REX needs to make a decision on where they want to be as a company. Spend on fleet renewal or stick with the jets they don’t have the funds for both.
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Old 3rd Jan 2023, 10:01
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For DHC-8 variants I can only see 2022-056, 031.
There's at least two dash-8 engine shut down events in 2022 that don't rate a mention in the ATSB files, a bit like the lack of investigation into the multiple 717 engine shut downs. Using the ATSBs report list to figure out who's having the most incidents is a waste of time, at least half of the serious occurrences I've witnessed lately have not appeared. Anyone who was in the business last year knows QLink Dash-8s were having a horror run with reliability. Rex wasn't far behind, but still fared better. Both QLInk and Rex are suffering the same issues, punching out new routes without the fleet spares to back it up. You could probably say all the airlines are having the same issues with reliability, as all of them have had horror cancellation rates in 2022, except probably Rex, which kept it fairly low with its flexibility.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 00:07
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There's at least two dash-8 engine shut down events in 2022 that don't rate a mention in the ATSB files, a bit like the lack of investigation into the multiple 717 engine shut downs. Using the ATSBs report list to figure out who's having the most incidents is a waste of time, at least half of the serious occurrences I've witnessed lately have not appeared. Anyone who was in the business last year knows QLink Dash-8s were having a horror run with reliability. Rex wasn't far behind, but still fared better. Both QLInk and Rex are suffering the same issues, punching out new routes without the fleet spares to back it up. You could probably say all the airlines are having the same issues with reliability, as all of them have had horror cancellation rates in 2022, except probably Rex, which kept it fairly low with its flexibility.
You are correct 43"
parishiltons if you do some hunting on the below, whilst not 100% accurate, it gives a far list of incidents
The Aviation Herald
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You are correct 43"parishiltons if you do some hunting on the below, whilst not 100% accurate, it gives a far list of incidentsThe Aviation Herald
I was going to make mention of the shutdown Rex had before christmas but I'm glad it's on that avherald list. I saw photos and it seemed pretty bad. So much oil pouring out the back. Another which never made the news or atsb was a oil leak soon after start in Armidale. The prop hub sprayed oil all over the fuselage.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 03:46
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
I was going to make mention of the shutdown Rex had before christmas but I'm glad it's on that avherald list. I saw photos and it seemed pretty bad. So much oil pouring out the back. Another which never made the news or atsb was a oil leak soon after start in Armidale. The prop hub sprayed oil all over the fuselage.
The Rex Perth incident is on the ATSB investigation list. However I can't find any reference to the 717 shut downs, Dash-8 shut downs, Dash-8 depressurization and numerous other Q contract occurrences, some of which I witnessed/heard directly. There definitely seems to be a black hole of information relating to incidents at NJS and Easterns/Sunstate. Funny when your parent claims to be the safest airline for that year....A bit rich if the public can not access the information required to assess that claim.

parishiltons if you do some hunting on the below, whilst not 100% accurate, it gives a far list of incidents
The Aviation Herald
I can't find the NJS shut downs on that list either.

I think it's getting close to time somebody at ACA or such have a look at why these companies are not reporting or at least not providing public data on their incidents while other airlines show up regularly for lessor events. ATSB might end up with some big questions to answer.

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Old 4th Jan 2023, 05:08
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Judging by the disrepair of their SAAB fleet, REX needs to make a decision on where they want to be as a company. Spend on fleet renewal or stick with the jets they donít have the funds for both.
I don't believe they can finance a fleet renewal regardless, running some basic rough numbers. They will need to a new buyer to inject some cash. Perhaps that is what they are doing. Building the business up, FIFO and Jets, then try and get a partial buyer.
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I don't believe they can finance a fleet renewal regardless, running some basic rough numbers. They will need to a new buyer to inject some cash. Perhaps that is what they are doing. Building the business up, FIFO and Jets, then try and get a partial buyer.
That's why the finance gods created leasing companies. So that the small fry can afford to maintain new fleets. There's a big difference between leasing an aircraft such as the 737 to break into a market and leasing similar turboprops to the SAAB to service established profitable markets. With Rex it's more what can replace the SAAB, there's not much in the market that matches it's operating margins on thin routes. That being said the SAAB itself is not the problem, it's post Covid supplier malaise.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
That being said the SAAB itself is not the problem, it's post Covid supplier malaise.
The short-sightedness of the company bit them too. Rumour has it, a dozen engineers in Adelaide walked across the tarmac to Alliance within a few weeks of the stranded school kids debacle. It's a heavy maintenance base too. Ops were try to rush C checks to save their beloved cancellation rate and the engineers had had enough. Now management are throwing large wads of cash for retention bonuses to engineers.

Another rumour is that the pile of pilot resumes has dried up as everyone leapfrogs the company.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 08:18
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
The short-sightedness of the company bit them too. Rumour has it, a dozen engineers in Adelaide walked across the tarmac to Alliance within a few weeks of the stranded school kids debacle. It's a heavy maintenance base too. Ops were try to rush C checks to save their beloved cancellation rate and the engineers had had enough. Now management are throwing large wads of cash for retention bonuses to engineers.

Another rumour is that the pile of pilot resumes has dried up as everyone leapfrogs the company.
From the antics I hear on the radio all operators are struggling for good crew. It's a mess out there, especially into CTAFs. These days I can make more sense out of the non English speaking students better than some RPT radio calls, and the students ETAs are definitely more reliable.
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Old 4th Jan 2023, 16:28
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REX needs to seriously look at a split fleet for regional
Perhaps Q400s or Q300s as they now have with Cobham for busier routes, although this would involve security screening
Then on thinner routes, perhaps new Cessna 408s although range is a bit iffy, considering their load factors 19 seats may be about right for short hops
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
REX needs to seriously look at a split fleet for regional
Perhaps Q400s or Q300s as they now have with Cobham for busier routes, although this would involve security screening
Then on thinner routes, perhaps new Cessna 408s although range is a bit iffy, considering their load factors 19 seats may be about right for short hops
Q300s might be an option if the new company (Longview/Viking) starts building them again. 408s are freighters, fat and slow, a Dornier (now HAL) 228 would be better suited 19 seater for passenger ops, more economical and slightly faster. But from what I've heard 19 seaters cost as much as the SAAB 340 to operate with how lean Rex has things. So why would you ditch a 34 seater for a 19 seater for a serious downgrade in passenger comfort and no reduction in ticket price. The only motivation to renew fleet is to gain benefits of new aircraft, which is lower operating costs and better reliability. If its lack of staff/slow parts delivery causing the reliability issues then nothing will change with a new aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
REX needs to seriously look at a split fleet for regional
Perhaps Q400s or Q300s as they now have with Cobham for busier routes, although this would involve security screening
Then on thinner routes, perhaps new Cessna 408s although range is a bit iffy, considering their load factors 19 seats may be about right for short hops
The Q400 doesnít need screening. Screening requirements are linked to airport passenger numbers, not aircraft size.

There are several ports QLink operate the Q400 to that donít have screening.
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Old 5th Jan 2023, 00:37
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
The Q400 doesnít need screening. Screening requirements are linked to airport passenger numbers, not aircraft size.

There are several ports QLink operate the Q400 to that donít have screening.
Home Affairs changed the regulations in 2020. If an airport handles over 30,000 RPT pax per annum that it needs screening for aircraft operations of 40 seats or more. Seems very convenient that the Saabs continue to fit nicely under that threshold.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
I think it's getting close to time somebody at ACA or such have a look at why these companies are not reporting or at least not providing public data on their incidents while other airlines show up regularly for lessor events. ATSB might end up with some big questions to answer.
Unless it's a huge co-incidence, it often seems the case that if QF get investigated for something, quickly VA will end up on there too. If a Link Saab gets looked at, a Rex Saab will get investigated for something. Etc. I'm not saying there are political interests with the ATSB. I'm just .. not not saying that.
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