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Old 15th Oct 2022, 20:48
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Originally Posted by smiling monkey View Post
Major expansion for Rex in the West.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/...-west-for-rex/
Perth Adelaide with 190s between FIFO work sounds promising
Running 190 red-eyes to SYD or MEL also has potential
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Old 15th Oct 2022, 23:07
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Why are they rebranding it back to NJE? Would make sense to paint them all in Rex brand wouldn’t it?
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 00:34
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Why are they rebranding it back to NJE? Would make sense to paint them all in Rex brand wouldn’t it?
LKH has said that the FIFO 'unit will keep its own branding and not fly under the Rex brand'. Despite Rex Freight and Charter Pty Ltd being used as the acquisition entity, the NJE unit will only be 50 percent owned by Regional Express Holdings Limited. The other 50 percent, and undoubtedly the controlling stake in the business, is owned by a joint venture headed up by LKH.

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Old 16th Oct 2022, 04:10
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Looking at the how Cobham fly the E190's it's hard to see where they are going to fit in a potentially 7 hr round trip to ADL with any sort of decent frequency and redundancy (both to their Pax and FIFO routes) in the supposed down time the aircraft have, considering the economic and contractual forces on honouring a FIFO contract.
Of course GT from airlineratings.com would have asked those hard questions. That's such a back yard organization. Their passenger REX reviews/ratings consist of 6, only 2 of which are within the last 2 years. Have a look at the "team of aviation editors" who make up the rest of the ratings team.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 04:29
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post
the NJS unit will only be 50 percent owned by Regional Express Holdings Limited.
NJE.

NJS (National Jet Systems) is the business unit that operates the 717s, sold to QF a few years ago.

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Looking at the how Cobham fly the E190's it's hard to see where they are going to fit in a potentially 7 hr round trip to ADL with any sort of decent frequency and redundancy (both to their Pax and FIFO routes) in the supposed down time the aircraft have, considering the economic and contractual forces on honouring a FIFO contract.
With the current fleet they're practically restricted to Friday evening through to Sunday night flying for those suggested routes. Works pretty much solely for the "get away for the weekend" crowd and no one else.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 05:27
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Originally Posted by regional_flyer View Post
NJE.

NJS (National Jet Systems) is the business unit that operates the 717s, sold to QF a few years ago.
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My mistake, corrected in the original post.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 06:52
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Originally Posted by regional_flyer View Post
NJE.

NJS (National Jet Systems) is the business unit that operates the 717s, sold to QF a few years ago.



With the current fleet they're practically restricted to Friday evening through to Sunday night flying for those suggested routes. Works pretty much solely for the "get away for the weekend" crowd and no one else.
Which is also why the idea of E190 red eyes suggested by Deano is fanciful too
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 13:41
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Which is also why the idea of E190 red eyes suggested by Deano is fanciful too
Yeah that ain’t going to work for red eye ops or an ADL return weekend only, unless they want to become an ULCC, emphasis on the Ultra.

Still wondering how Rex is going to fund this expansion, their jets are fairly idle between capital cities on the weekend, their share price has gone from flatlining post financial results announcement to dropping almost 6% (in the same period QF went up
22%, despite Deano’s predictions they’re up the proverbial creek). Does Rex give any profit advice updates to the market, it should be about time for one……
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 22:45
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Yeah that ain’t going to work for red eye ops or an ADL return weekend only, unless they want to become an ULCC, emphasis on the Ultra.

Still wondering how Rex is going to fund this expansion, their jets are fairly idle between capital cities on the weekend, their share price has gone from flatlining post financial results announcement to dropping almost 6% (in the same period QF went up
22%, despite Deano’s predictions they’re up the proverbial creek). Does Rex give any profit advice updates to the market, it should be about time for one……
They do report market updates but I can't see them being positive in this phase of attempted expansion.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 23:13
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Who is going to bankroll all this expansion? On the NJE side the Chair appears to have stumped up the funds as the Rex group has no financial ability. On the Rex front, according to the latest report, they have exhausted half the PAG loan. Now that was nearly 4 months ago. Any 20-30 aircraft plans will need to result in a takeover or significant injection from someone. The kitty will likely be exhausted by the time the next two 737s arrive and enter service late next year.

I think some of you underestimate the funds required to get to a 20-30 aircraft operation. Rex just don't have the cash.
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Old 16th Oct 2022, 23:56
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... Does Rex give any profit advice updates to the market, it should be about time for one……
Rex's price sensitive ASX announcements are generally a joke, little more than a hackneyed marketing exercise, generally largely, if not entirely, devoid of any real or meaningful data.

Back in early August, astoundingly with only a month of unaudited FY23 trading under their belt, Rex came out with this "Profit Guidance". Notably, the document is entirely devoid of any actual guidance as to expected profit. The closest you get to 'guidance' is the caveated statement that Rex '... believe that both our domestic and regional operations will be profitable this FY'. That's it. Needless to say that the market treated the announcement as you'd expect - it did essentially nothing to share price.

Whether Rex intended it or not, the fact that they stated their actual revenue from jet ops for the month of July and stated their load factor for the month did allow for further calculations. Given their relatively simple route and schedule structure for the month it wasn't difficult to calculate available seat kilometres, revenue per available seat kilometre, total pax carried and average revenue per pax. RASK was about 11.5 cents and average revenue per pax was around $103.50. For what was purportedly a "sterling start"/"phenomenal performance", neither of those numbers are anything to write home about.
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...profitability/
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And yet their share price is still falling. Why is that I wonder. Are they trying to pull the same stunt as QF.
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I predicted November with an outside chance of October to get to profitability
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 11:29
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
And yet their share price is still falling. Why is that I wonder. ...
Likely because market analysts know bullsh!t when they see it. Touting percentage improvements on an unknown, but likely very poor, baseline (Rex's performance for June 2022) isn't going to get anyone excited.

Same same with frankly inane statements such as,

Encouragingly, October 2022 appears to be even stronger than September 2022 ...
Well, duh! October is generally the strongest month of the year for domestic aviation, and is always a stronger month than September, routinely in the order of 8.0 - 8.5 percent stronger.
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 00:46
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Anyone playing the stockmarket knows that punters react in baffling ways. The fact that a profit is predicted will not always be reflected in a positive share bounce. You can't read into a share price fall
anything beyond market nuances. This is simply not enough to throw mud at Rex. It's the stockmarket. I've had big wins and big losses on the market over the years - and whilst I think Mick G is spot on, much of Sharpey's media rhetoric is thrown squarely at the stock market volatility - I've backed many a "winning company" and watched my money tumble.
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Old 25th Oct 2022, 00:53
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QF, BHP and the other big players stocks always just ride up on the market, they are institutional investor staples, QF would have to announce administration to go backwards in any serious manner outside the normal movement of the ASX. Rex has so few freehold shares that its almost impossible to know if it's new trades or just employees selling stocks for cash all pretty low volumes. I'd say Rex shares are better for the regular fully franked dividends than any price appreciation.

As for profits VA usually made all its profits in the first half, and then slumped into losses in the second due weak demand in Australia post summer holidays through to June, with a small spike in Easter. QF has a slightly broader spectrum with is business custom and loyalties, but follows a similar trend. Regional operations are a bit more stable through out the year, with summer holidays actually being a low point in operations due to waning of commuter traffic.

As for Rex I've heard the marketing tie ups have been awesome for them with long term bookings through the roof, just need more fleet to service it reliably.

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If you want to understand why the market reacted one way to Qantas's recent market update and a different way to Rex's update, you need only look at the substance of each.

While there's plenty of spin and fluff in the QF announcement, there's a solid core of factual financial information. For starters, QF actually nominate their 1H23 Underlying Profit Before Tax expectations within a fairly tight range; $1.2 - $1.3 billion. They also provide firm guidance on net debt.

The Rex announcement, on the other hand, is essentially nothing but spin and fluff. There is a marked credibility gap between saying you expect to be profitable in FY23 versus stating actual expectations for 1H as dollar amounts. And the market reacts accordingly.

There's also the matter of comparing what a company says to what you see it doing. For all Rex's talk about "strong demand" driving fleet expansion, what the market sees currently is Rex flying essentially the same schedule in late October with seven jets as they were in late August with only six jets; 198 flights for the week ending 23 October versus 196 flights for the week ending 21 August.

Pax numbers and load factors are much improved, for sure, but utilisation is pretty bloody ordinary; utilisation has declined since they added -MFM. With the talk of being in the market for another two jets, there would undoubtedly be some nervousness around Rex getting too far ahead of itself in terms of capacity.
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Originally Posted by MickG0105 View Post

There's also the matter of comparing what a company says to what you see it doing. For all Rex's talk about "strong demand" driving fleet expansion, what the market sees currently is Rex flying essentially the same schedule in late October with seven jets as they were in late August with only six jets; 198 flights for the week ending 23 October versus 196 flights for the week ending 21 August.

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They have an aircraft doing a "C" check.
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One doing a C check and another being a hangar queen, so schedules have been a bit loose. Again small fleet issues at the moment, can't get anything useful from stats other than loads are definitely on the up. Meanwhile everyone else is doing well at a time they should be doing well, we'll know more in Feb when half yearlies come up, other than that its all fluff and nonsense, as all airlines can bend the stats at present to suit the perfect scenario at this time of year. What I do see is some big marketing campaigns ramping up at VA and QF, that would indicate that they want more from future trends on bookings, ie the covid release is winding down and they need to do more for forward bookings. If the future trends were showing stability they would not be spending big on TV campaigns. QF is also going to need to do something about it's corner in Mascot, its horribly congested on the best of days, especially with the added regional flights, Rex is also using the hanagars down there for maintenance, so it's only adding to the congestion as they tow stuff around.

AJ can throw out any guidance he wants, it all ups his huge paypacket he's looking forward to come end year, he will probably retire then and head off to ireland where ASIC can't touch him as the fallout starts to descend in the years coming. VA was all rosy and next year profits, then suddenly in administration, although everyone that could read their financials knew it was coming more than 10 years ago. QF still has huge issues moving forward, not the least of which is no more large assets to sell off, other than the loyalty program itself, which makes most of the group profit, which will spell the end really if they went that route. Posting large profit this financial year when its all on pre-sold tickets, that were then told to pay more per flight to use on top of $2 bill of gov assistance, that's still to play out. With the likes of Harvey Norman and such paying back their taxpayer slices it's going to be hard for the airlines to post big profits and not be under pressure pay back their share. Rex is probably smart to keep its head down and post small losses for a few years.
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