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Old 9th Sep 2022, 03:22
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Numbers still on the way up for REX jet

A couple of weeks ago Thursday numbers outbound
Y average 109.4 around 65%

Yesterday
Y average 141.0 around 84%

Sorry MickG and PoppaJo but you just can't argue with the numbers.....
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Old 9th Sep 2022, 03:53
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Numbers still on the way up for REX jet

A couple of weeks ago Thursday numbers outbound
Y average 109.4 around 65%

Yesterday
Y average 141.0 around 84%

Sorry MickG and PoppaJo but you just can't argue with the numbers.....
No one is arguing with the numbers. I've been one of the proponents of focusing on the numbers rather than just making stuff up as you go along. And, as I noted last month, the Flight Centre hook up seems to be having quite a positive outcome for Rex. No one would be disputing that this has been a good week so far for Rex.

Separately, and falling into the same pattern of telling you something that you've been told before, you cannot accurately infer what the true Y/J spilt is from the seat plan data. As a couple of contributors have noted, Rex are pursuing a practice of routinely upgrading punters from Y to J meaning that the Y numbers are likely understated. You're best sticking to total pax numbers.

And why would you be quoting "outbound" numbers?! Outbound from where? Sydney? Melbourne?

Looking at the network in total, yesterday Rex's jet ops managed an aggregate load factor of 82.6 percent over their 28 flights for the day. Last Thursday, one of their weakest for the past four weeks, they managed only 76.4 percent.

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Old 9th Sep 2022, 04:45
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Mick I have not quoted any J numbers for just that reason
I quote outbound MEL to all, then SYD to OOL BNE as outbound and inbound are usually pretty close
QF/JQ have certainly done more for REX than they realize and all the attacking and capacity dumping on REXs regional network has been outweighed ten fold their poor performance in recent times on mainline
I mean taking half a dozen pax of a SAAB verses seeing 80+% on 737s is a massive win for REX

All REX needs to do now is
Keep their birds on time
Get bags to their destination
Offer up decent galley selections
Have smiling staff greeting customers
Keep fares reasonable

Do these simple things and there is no doubt they will get to 30+ frames and be the true third option that the public have been looking for
QF/JQ is still a big chance of falling over as one thing JS said that I believe to be true, that they are trading whilst insolvent
If QF/JQ stopped trading tomorrow and cashed in their remaining assets, IMO, they would not be able to cover their liabilities
Leave
Super
FFPs
Unused vouchers
Debtors
Loans
Excluding leases....
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There's a marked difference between having negative equity and trading while insolvent.
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Just looked at Rex BNE-ADL in October. Yes, a very reasonable Business class fare …..if you don't mind taking 11 hours to get there with 7 hour+ transit in Melbourne.
The alternative was a Sydney transit that was a bit quicker but then, for me, the Virgin and Qantas J class fares on their direct services was comparable.
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
QF/JQ is still a big chance of falling over as one thing JS said that I believe to be true, that they are trading whilst insolvent
He said that almost 18 months ago. Pretty impressive to trade insolvent for that amount of time and still remain afloat. And considering “insolvent” means “unable to pay debts” I’m not sure how going from peak $6.4b debt during Covid to $3.9b debt now classifies as “unable to pay down debt”.

Rex’s debt went up from FY 21 to 22 btw…..
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They paid down debt from $1billion worth of assets sold and ticket receipts that were not used during the covid period. Hence why planes are full now in domestic at 75% capacity yet revenue is only 30% of pre-covid ($5billion this year vs $15 Billion pre covid). The sale of assets to remove debt leading to a worse NTA than when debt was higher as its a poor way to recover owed monies with fire sales of assets. Rex increase in Debt has barely affected its net tangible asset score because the debt was invested into company expansion and operations.
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I seem to recall the Irishman stating on media that (because of covid, yes) that QF at one point were only a couple of months away from folding
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Can you just imagine how much cash QF/JQ are sitting on in pre sold tickets?
It truly showed where it was at when it could not refund presold tickets during covid, just offered up funny money vouchers
REX on the other hand gave cash back...
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Can you just imagine how much cash QF/JQ are sitting on in pre sold tickets?
It truly showed where it was at when it could not refund presold tickets during covid, just offered up funny money vouchers
REX on the other hand gave cash back...
As at 30 Jun, $3.1b in advance tickets sold, pretty much pre-Covid amount. $1.3b in Covid travel credits. Credit usage at about $80m per month. It’s all in the financial statements.
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Old 9th Sep 2022, 07:59
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
Can you just imagine how much cash QF/JQ are sitting on in pre sold tickets?
You don't have to imagine, it's recorded on their balance sheet.
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Collingwood supporters take note. Rex shouldn't have any problem filling seats between Melbourne and Sydney and back this weekend coming.

$600 MEL-SYD economy on Friday, nothing on Saturday and then strangely from $299 Business Saver but $399 economy on return on Sunday.

Go Swannies!

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I was listening on the radio this morning. There was a very interesting exchange-
DJ1 "My wife came back from Sydney yesterday; she was delayed two hours- she didn't fly REX"
DJ2-"Obviously"
They are getting a growing reputation for value and reliability.
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
I seem to recall the Irishman stating on media that (because of covid, yes) that QF at one point were only a couple of months away from folding
I seem to recall Kim Jong Un saying the same thing
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
I seem to recall Kim Jong Un saying the same thing
At least you could get a cash refund from REX
Howz about QF/JQ would it have been because they could not come up with the funds to offer cash back ?
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
At least you could get a cash refund from REX
Howz about QF/JQ would it have been because they could not come up with the funds to offer cash back ?
Rex weren't giving up their own cash, it was the government's.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
Rex weren't giving up their own cash, it was the government's.
And how about Qantas ?
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Originally Posted by Deano969 View Post
And how about Qantas ?
qantas didn't receive half their yearly revenue in government handouts.
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They did last year, not sure what the point is, but QF has been well and truly caught out with its snout in the trough. The only payment Rex got without strings was the first one, which QF would have received if they were not trying to sink VA. They just waited for VA to fail and started taking the cash afterwards. Have to remember that the assistance is relative to the flying portion. The frequent flyer and freight divisions of QF were profitable all the way through the pandemic.

In any case if its legal its legal, if you ask and receive its up to the gov what strings it attaches and whether its a loan or gift. I could make up some silly thing to do a PHD on like studying if garden worms like beer and get government money. A good manager gets income from whoever offers. AJ played god with the lives of his own staff and those at VA by denying they needed assistance to sink the competition, otherwise both airlines would have received something, there's no doubt. AJ made it political, when it was a commercial imperative.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy View Post
qantas didn't receive half their yearly revenue in government handouts.
Doesn't really matter
If they can not provide the service, then cash back, if they didn't, there was a good reason, they didn't have the coin to do so
Only goes to prove that QF/JQ are living of pre-sale revenue (cashflow) covid forced them to play catch up and all they could offer was "store credit"
This is not a great way to run a business, on free credit.....
REX did not have this problem at it had and still has negligible debt
VA was caught out big time for worse reasons, but not dissimilar to QF/JQ but were a lot worse off to begin with
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