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Old 21st Jun 2022, 12:39
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Even though NJS pilots (forcibly most would say) voted to fly a 20T heavier aircraft for the same money, Network 320 pilots are still the bin chickens of Australian regional aviation…
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Old 21st Jun 2022, 21:48
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Network 320 pilots are still the bin chickens of Australian regional aviation…
While the NJS and short-haul deals are a crock, if there’s any silver lining, industry wide it’s a good outcome for pilot conditions in Australia compared to NAA being involved. They’d have sold their souls to fly them.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 02:56
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That's true if it's factual. You make no statements based in fact, only some childish attempt at character assassination.
I asked you a few direct questions to which it seems you have no answer, preferring instead to gob off again with some inane throw away line. If you have facts then present them here rather than continue with your with p1$$ and wind in place of a factual presentation.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” Attributed to Abraham Lincoln
, particularly salient when it comes to you.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 03:14
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While the NJS and short-haul deals are a crock
So if this is true who is to blame for accepting the deal? I know I didn't vote for it.
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 08:34
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Anyway, back on topic, I've heard the bloke from VARA loves a challenge, well I guess he's got one
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Old 22nd Jun 2022, 10:48
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But hang on……

Ego’s.
Alpha males. (and a new one to boot)
Greasy pole climbers.
Rapid expansion.
dangerous expansion.
Industrial mayhem.
Toothless regulator.
Regurgitation of inept industry management/managers.
Ridiculous training loads.
Misleading employees about management tenure.
SME’S (just ask then) from HK and the sandpit that, naturally, know better.
Junior first commands.
Dangerous reverse gradients.
Numerous operational incidents.

Nothing to see here…..

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Old 4th Jul 2022, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Nuthanewbusdriver
Ego’s.
Alpha males. (and a new one to boot)
Greasy pole climbers.
Rapid expansion.
dangerous expansion.
Industrial mayhem.
Toothless regulator.
Regurgitation of inept industry management/managers.
Ridiculous training loads.
Misleading employees about management tenure.
SME’S (just ask then) from HK and the sandpit that, naturally, know better.
Junior first commands.
Dangerous reverse gradients.
Numerous operational incidents.

Nothing to see here…..
Bit harsh!
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Old 5th Jul 2022, 01:19
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Originally Posted by Nuthanewbusdriver
Ego’s.
SME’S (just ask then) from HK and the sandpit that, naturally, know better.
Like all the Aussies overseas that, you know, "know better"?

I've always thought you should take advice on its merits rather than simply focus on the person providing said advice.
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Old 9th Jul 2022, 12:50
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Will be fun watching this lot try and crew flights moving forwards. Already struggling to crew flights, seeing daily cancellations on the dutch oven and now crew resigning in numbers, prospective employees pulling out of ground courses in numbers etc.
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Old 9th Jul 2022, 15:00
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns
Will be fun watching this lot try and crew flights moving forwards. Already struggling to crew flights, seeing daily cancellations on the dutch oven and now crew resigning in numbers, prospective employees pulling out of ground courses in numbers etc.
Where are they all going?
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Old 9th Jul 2022, 23:44
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Where are they all going?
A lot new starters still have right of return with their previous employer (or connections at the very least) and will be commuting while their family stays on the east coast (and the roster definitely doesn’t favour commuters, to put it mildly). It’s difficult to imagine a set of conditions less favourable to staff retention so it’s likely the training department will be busy training new people for the same positions (again) for a long time to come.
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 00:10
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Originally Posted by walesregent
A lot new starters still have right of return with their previous employer (or connections at the very least) and will be commuting while their family stays on the east coast (and the roster definitely doesn’t favour commuters, to put it mildly). It’s difficult to imagine a set of conditions less favourable to staff retention so it’s likely the training department will be busy training new people for the same positions (again) for a long time to come.
Hahahahaha…..they want to hope they only loose 4 pilots a year. Takes them 10 months to train a pilot from what I’ve seen. Mate was on training reserve for almost 4 months.
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 00:30
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Hahahahaha…..they want to hope they only loose 4 pilots a year. Takes them 10 months to train a pilot from what I’ve seen. Mate was on training reserve for almost 4 months.
They’ve never had mass attrition before so they don’t understand the risk of it occurring now. The difference being that they’ve traditionally hired locals (and/or low time guys and gals) and then only worked them about 40 hours a month. The nature of the operation is changing and the lifestyle is going. People will do the basic arithmetic and reason that if the roster is going to suck as much as it does everywhere else they may as well get paid for it or at least work closer to home.

Add to that everyone knew the EA sucked, but spending time with a group of Jetstar and mainline secondees made everyone aware of the exact details of in which ways it sucked. A lot of people are now looking for greener pastures or looking to stick it to the company with the next EA.
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 11:54
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They’ve never had mass attrition before so they don’t understand the risk of it occurring now.
A lot of people are now looking for greener pastures or looking to stick it to the company with the next EA.
I believe these two observations apply to quite a few Australian companies right now. I have never heard of so many pilots looking at the USA or thinking of jumping ship from what was a steady job,
Perhaps the events of the last two and a half years has affected how people view loyalty to a company. I don’t know but I do sense a change in attitude amongst pilots I thought were planning on staying where they are,
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
I believe these two observations apply to quite a few Australian companies right now. I have never heard of so many pilots looking at the USA or thinking of jumping ship from what was a steady job,
Perhaps the events of the last two and a half years has affected how people view loyalty to a company. I don’t know but I do sense a change in attitude amongst pilots I thought were planning on staying where they are,
Australian aviation is a f..king joke!
Why anyone even bothers getting out of bed to fly for the likes of Alliance or Network for the salary they are offering is beyond me! As far as I am concerned they can go suck it! And anyone accepting these conditions should be pulled aside by the union, its time for an Australia wide pilot strike, enough is enough!
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 12:22
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Originally Posted by higgiflyer1
Allot of movement
What?? A movement in allotments??
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Old 10th Jul 2022, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Australian aviation is a f..king joke!
Why anyone even bothers getting out of bed to fly for the likes of Alliance or Network for the salary they are offering is beyond me! As far as I am concerned they can go suck it! And anyone accepting these conditions should be pulled aside by the union, its time for an Australia wide pilot strike, enough is enough!
Aaaaaaand history repeats itself, just 33 years later…..

Except in this case, those who sat out (hung out) their colleagues last time are not just international.


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Old 11th Jul 2022, 03:46
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Considering the trajectory of the group and recent agreements getting voted up, chances of NAA getting an even remotely better deal at the next EA "negotiation" are laughable. While lifestyle wise it's a great gig (currently) - as more planes get added and flying increases everyone is going to feel the pain of a sub - standard agreement. 😕



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Old 11th Jul 2022, 04:03
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Originally Posted by MajorLemond
Considering the trajectory of the group and recent agreements getting voted up, chances of NAA getting an even remotely better deal at the next EA "negotiation" are laughable. While lifestyle wise it's a great gig (currently) - as more planes get added and flying increases everyone is going to feel the pain of a sub - standard agreement. 😕
agreed! Inexperienced management team promoting other inexperienced people who won’t threaten their positions. You work your career to be able to live comfortably, eat out occasionally, have a boat, JetSki, toys etc and send the kids to private school. After tax and school fees for two kids, below the minimum wage. Fark that! If any of the young guys joining stay longer than 500hrs they are fools at the moment. Good paying jobs everywhere except Oz.
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Old 11th Jul 2022, 05:02
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns
Bit harsh!

It can't be that bad can it?
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