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Old 28th Feb 2023, 03:44
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
So if this goes through is it little wonder Mainline drivers aren't so warm and fuzzy to other subsidiaries in the coffee shops around the country

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F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63

Mainline
A321XLR 20

how juvenile!

all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 04:52
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
Are those two things mutually exclusive? I don’t think so.

I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.

In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.

Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.

So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 05:38
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
Are those two things mutually exclusive? I don’t think so.

I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.

In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.

Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.

So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.
Yep, there’s two sides to every story. It’s ironic when there’s such a shortage of experienced pilots that those individuals in their ivory towers cannot see the wheat from the chaff.
The professions T&C’s have been eroded during Covid, but it’s time for those smart Harvard business school alumni to look a little further ahead - hopefully beyond their KPI end of year bonuses.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 05:40
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
how juvenile!

all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
Go back to your office you desk jockey
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 06:14
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So they require another 200-300 pilots in the next 2 years to cater for this fleet upgrade. Considering the crewing challenges, and retention challenges they are having now, how is that even achievable?

Same thing happened with the ground handling. Give Swissport the contract, who in return have no staff and no ability to even come close to servicing the contract to some form of bare minimum, and naturally it just falls apart soon after.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 09:14
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Yes, interesting to watch all these 'new' aircraft purchases used to expand Qantas group domestic flying, but mainline are only getting a small piece of the pie. The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past? Will the current 25 years to captain at mainline extend to 30 or 35 years? Will that reduce the number of pilots attracted to use the subsidiaries as a stepping stone? I think so
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 09:19
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Rumour is they’re repainting the 380s with QantasLink branding and renaming the company.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 09:27
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Rumour is they’re repainting the 380s with QantasLink branding and renaming the company.
Nah, they'd just use a decal with the word Link. It's cheaper.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 12:05
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Majority of these aircraft will be reduced to spares to support the other E190’s.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 12:45
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
Yes, interesting to watch all these 'new' aircraft purchases used to expand Qantas group domestic flying, but mainline are only getting a small piece of the pie. The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past? Will the current 25 years to captain at mainline extend to 30 or 35 years? Will that reduce the number of pilots attracted to use the subsidiaries as a stepping stone? I think so
maybe mainline pilots are starting to get it.

the pincer manoeuvre that began with NJS undercutting Ansett pilots in the 1990’s has spread to infect mainline careers.

Now that King David is abdicating, Judas will struggle under a new king.

Meanwhile, the dark pervasive influence of the dynamic duo will endure,

But so long as the untouchables on the seniority list maintain their luxury and the cash band plays the titanic floats on
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 23:04
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Originally Posted by Jack Ripper
NJS undercutting Ansett pilots in the 1990’s has spread to infect mainline careers.
​​​​​​​Rubbish.
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 01:20
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel
Majority of these aircraft will be reduced to spares to support the other E190’s.
If they can squeeze a contract out of them, which I bet you they will, you better believe they will be airborne and flying for Q or someone.
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 01:58
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past?
Right now subsidaries are a pathway to other carriers, couple thousand hours command and then off to a more lucrative overseas job (couple thousand Airbus command and could be straight into LHS in ME on an A350 or A380).

A lot of contracts require time on jets above 50t MTOW. The MTOW of the E190? 51.8t........
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 04:15
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
So if this goes through is it little wonder Mainline drivers aren't so warm and fuzzy to other subsidiaries in the coffee shops around the country

Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63

Mainline
A321XLR 20

It's like the US but without the Scope Clause protections = Disaster from the top down (read Mainline to second last group). The last group become the newest scapegoats - who will be called names by those higher up - until over time, yet another group with even lower barriers to entry (read $'s) get sucked in...and so the cycle continues.

Good Luck!
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 23:43
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There are a number of ex Alliance pilots who spent many years in the company and with significant command time on F100 and Airbus who have returned to Oz with no intention of returning overseas even though they are well placed to join large carriers. Although these pilots have applied to Alliance they have not been contacted. So they can't be a shortage.
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Old 2nd Mar 2023, 01:17
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i didn't proof read this

Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
how juvenile!

all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
Yawn TBM ... I'm very happy thank you for the concern. Not point rehashing what others after my post have already said so well. If you can't see it then thats puerile.

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Are Alliance Ejet pilots still on personal contracts? No EBA? Sounds a bit like Work-choices.
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Old 2nd Mar 2023, 01:54
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
Are Alliance Ejet pilots still on personal contracts? No EBA? Sounds a bit like Work-choices.
I thought they were under another EBA? Bravo?
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Old 2nd Mar 2023, 02:46
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Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.

They've just purchased another 30 E190 (100ARs) from JetBlue drip-feeding through from September 2023 to 2026.
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Old 2nd Mar 2023, 04:17
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Originally Posted by Chocks Away
Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...
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Old 2nd Mar 2023, 04:24
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese

By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...
Crystal ball gazing or insider knowledge
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