Qantas buys Alliance
Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
So if this goes through is it little wonder Mainline drivers aren't so warm and fuzzy to other subsidiaries in the coffee shops around the country
Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63
Mainline
A321XLR 20
Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63
Mainline
A321XLR 20
all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.
In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.
Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.
So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
Are those two things mutually exclusive? I don’t think so.
I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.
In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.
Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.
So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.
I can’t say I’ve seen too many mainline crew being less than at least polite and cordial to others in coffee shops… I’m not saying the opposite hasn’t happened on occasion, however.
In any case the number of aircraft mentioned above (most of which will be doing QF group flying) shows that there has been, and will continue to be, fairly enormous growth outside of, and to a large extent at the expense of, both Mainline contracts. Growth that in the not so distant past would probably have, at least partially, gone to expanding Mainline.
Mainline crews sit by and watch, as announcement after announcement of ‘new’ acquisitions of 20-30 year old aircraft happen while they see promotional prospects blow out by (even more) years. Their aircraft are retired with no, or fewer replacements.
So it’s completely understandable why some who are interested in themselves and their career prospects may not be that ‘happy’ about it, and not should they have to be.
The professions T&C’s have been eroded during Covid, but it’s time for those smart Harvard business school alumni to look a little further ahead - hopefully beyond their KPI end of year bonuses.
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
how juvenile!
all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
So they require another 200-300 pilots in the next 2 years to cater for this fleet upgrade. Considering the crewing challenges, and retention challenges they are having now, how is that even achievable?
Same thing happened with the ground handling. Give Swissport the contract, who in return have no staff and no ability to even come close to servicing the contract to some form of bare minimum, and naturally it just falls apart soon after.
Same thing happened with the ground handling. Give Swissport the contract, who in return have no staff and no ability to even come close to servicing the contract to some form of bare minimum, and naturally it just falls apart soon after.
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Yes, interesting to watch all these 'new' aircraft purchases used to expand Qantas group domestic flying, but mainline are only getting a small piece of the pie. The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past? Will the current 25 years to captain at mainline extend to 30 or 35 years? Will that reduce the number of pilots attracted to use the subsidiaries as a stepping stone? I think so
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Rumour is they’re repainting the 380s with QantasLink branding and renaming the company.
Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
Yes, interesting to watch all these 'new' aircraft purchases used to expand Qantas group domestic flying, but mainline are only getting a small piece of the pie. The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past? Will the current 25 years to captain at mainline extend to 30 or 35 years? Will that reduce the number of pilots attracted to use the subsidiaries as a stepping stone? I think so
the pincer manoeuvre that began with NJS undercutting Ansett pilots in the 1990’s has spread to infect mainline careers.
Now that King David is abdicating, Judas will struggle under a new king.
Meanwhile, the dark pervasive influence of the dynamic duo will endure,
But so long as the untouchables on the seniority list maintain their luxury and the cash band plays the titanic floats on
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel
Majority of these aircraft will be reduced to spares to support the other E190’s.
Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
The subsidiaries attract many new pilots as they are lead to believe it's their pathway to mainline, but will things change when they realise mainline domestic expansion is a thing of the past?
A lot of contracts require time on jets above 50t MTOW. The MTOW of the E190? 51.8t........
Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
So if this goes through is it little wonder Mainline drivers aren't so warm and fuzzy to other subsidiaries in the coffee shops around the country
Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63
Mainline
A321XLR 20
Subsidiaries (excluding JQ)
F100 54
A220 29
A320 24
E190 63
Mainline
A321XLR 20
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There are a number of ex Alliance pilots who spent many years in the company and with significant command time on F100 and Airbus who have returned to Oz with no intention of returning overseas even though they are well placed to join large carriers. Although these pilots have applied to Alliance they have not been contacted. So they can't be a shortage.
i didn't proof read this
Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
how juvenile!
all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
all require pilots and F/A’s. Try being happy instead of being interested in yourself
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Are Alliance Ejet pilots still on personal contracts? No EBA? Sounds a bit like Work-choices.
Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
Are Alliance Ejet pilots still on personal contracts? No EBA? Sounds a bit like Work-choices.
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Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.
They've just purchased another 30 E190 (100ARs) from JetBlue drip-feeding through from September 2023 to 2026.
They've just purchased another 30 E190 (100ARs) from JetBlue drip-feeding through from September 2023 to 2026.
Originally Posted by Chocks Away
Yes 717Tech, it's an agreement under the shelf company named "Bravo" but still below the award.
By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...
Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
That right there is the recipe that buys the cheese
By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...
By 2026, if not earlier, Network will be a single fleet (A320) operation with all F100 work moved across to the Alliance (QantasLink) E190's - let's see how this one matures...
