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Virgin Australia - Phoenix Rising from the Ashes?

Old 15th Jun 2022, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
YBCG WADD approx 2400nm, seasonal winds up to 40ish on the nose one way. Never driven a 737, no idea if it will do it. The 738 Max certainly will as SQ flies it to Cairns.

Virgin used to fly to Bali in the NG from???

Fantastic to hear of new routes all round!
The issue is not the sector length, a 737 can fly that far. It is the performance limits in The Gold Coast. Due to the shortish runway, pax load will need to be capped to allow the fuel to be carried for the sector. There will be a point when it becomes unprofitable to operate that sector.

As an example, the A320 is limited to 160 pax on a OOL-PER sector which is about 1900nm, so to go another 500nm and still arrive with 3T of fuel, (which is very light on) you値l have to reduce the payload by roughly 2.5 T for the extra 1 hours flight.

That equates to another 29 pax. So, how much will you have to charge each pax to make 130 seats cover the costs plus profit?
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Old 15th Jun 2022, 11:09
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Gold Coast Airport also regularly flies near full widebody loads (Scoot) and pre-pandemic regularly flew loaded JQ and D7 787/A330s with little/no restrictions on long haul flights to SIN/NRT/KUL.
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 01:18
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Originally Posted by DanV2 View Post
Gold Coast Airport also regularly flies near full widebody loads (Scoot) and pre-pandemic regularly flew loaded JQ and D7 787/A330s with little/no restrictions on long haul flights to SIN/NRT/KUL.
what relevance does this have to narrowbody performance?
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 01:41
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
what relevance does this have to narrowbody performance?
Nothing. Plus when did you ever see someone bound for KL NRT SIN fly over the bight?

It will be heavily capped due to runway length. 150s is my calculation.
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 04:09
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar View Post

It will be heavily capped due to runway length. 150s is my calculation.
The pessimistic analysis.
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Old 16th Jun 2022, 06:16
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Big difference to the 320 and the 737-800 especially on long sectors - 2 odd ton less fuel and 2 ton less MTOW. Sector to Perth is also E-W vs basically N-S - so far less effected by the headwinds you get to Perth. Long sectors is where the 737-800 beats the A320 hands down.

​​​​​​You can pull about 77-78 ton out of OOL up to 28 degrees depending on what runway, so only about a ton or penalty off MTOW.
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Old 18th Jun 2022, 03:48
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The 738 variant VA uses to Bali can take off at OOL at MTOW up to 79t (RW32) wet or dry 78t (RW14), with typical conditions nil wind.

OOL-DPS is doable.
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 01:50
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With the Virgin partnership with LINK on the CB-SY-CB Route going gangbusters, I wonder if VA will look wider afield for a renewed Regional network?
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Old 19th Jun 2022, 03:52
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post
With the Virgin partnership with LINK on the CB-SY-CB Route going gangbusters, I wonder if VA will look wider afield for a renewed Regional network?
At the rate Link are acquiring Saab's, it seems highly likely.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 00:16
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Originally Posted by KRUSTY 34 View Post
With the Virgin partnership with LINK on the CB-SY-CB Route going gangbusters, I wonder if VA will look wider afield for a renewed Regional network?
With VA also having a interline/lounge arrangement with FlyPelican, it wouldn't surprise me if VA uses FlyPelican for a proper codeshare/wetleases on thin NSW regional routes in the future at some point. Link and FlyPelican could cover the regional NSW flying for VA. Regional Qld on the other hand with the dwindling/drawing down of the Alliance contracts..
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 00:19
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Regional Qld on the other hand with the dwindling/drawing down of the Alliance contracts..
Link also have a presence in Brisbane which could prove useful to VA.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 00:31
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There'll be a gap in the market for VA if/when Alliance stop flying to Emerald, Moranbah, Gladstone, Rocky, Newcastle, Mt Isa on their behalf. Most of those ports can't take/won't sustain a 737-sized aircraft and Saab/J32 won't cut it either.

There could be an opportunity for Cobham to get into the East Coast with their Q400's if they can ramp up quick enough. They have a few more Q400's due before the end of the year as it is.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 00:42
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Airnorth will shortly commence flying for VA on the bne-drw route. Airnorth could be a good substitute for Alliance once QF take full ownership.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 00:58
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Airnorth also has a wet-lease arrangement with Alliance on the 2 E190s they have, considering every now and again UYC and UYR (in white livery) sometimes operate Alliance FIFO services with a QQ flight number in Queensland.

IIRC the TL E190 services are crewed by QQ pilots, but with TL flight attendants.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 05:31
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Just heard the CEO is leaving.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 05:36
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Coming back to QF group slot of positions going there after todays announcements.
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Old 16th Jul 2022, 02:25
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VA 2.0 has requested to the IASC to replace old partner EY's codeshares with codeshares with their new buddies QR.

Perhaps EY could join DL in forming a partnership with REX. Collecting Virgin 1.0's seconds as their new partners wouldn't be a bad pickup for REX.
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Old 16th Jul 2022, 02:42
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Etihad is down to 2 flights a day to Australia to only two cities. Pretty useless.

Qatar are now its own metal into 6 Australian ports, plus a Tasman crossing.
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Old 18th Jul 2022, 02:23
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Any idea what the announcement on Friday is for?
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Old 18th Jul 2022, 06:52
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Originally Posted by 90jj View Post
Any idea what the announcement on Friday is for?
3 rumours doing the rounds.

Virgin and Bonza become newly weds.

Widebody and more 700 aircraft to be announced.

Virgin is getting a rebrand.

Not sure it痴 even announcement. Most likely it痴 just a chance to sing Kumbaya.

展e had planned on making an announcement next week, but decided the timing was more appropriate to use this as an opportunity to acknowledge, celebrate and thank our wonderful team members.. blah blah blah



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