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I get where you’re coming from Clearice.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
I get where you’re coming from Clearice.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
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With the apparent failure of stage 3 tax cuts to survive, it’s obvious that being a “highly” paid PAYG earner isn’t worth it in this country.
Let’s be honest, we squeeze a 10k pay rise out of the company, the government takes half of it anyway. Is it worth giving away any of the few lifestyle protections in shorthaul for that?
I need more days off, so that I’m spending several days less than 18 days per roster at work. Now THAT will make a difference to my life. I need dense flying that doesn’t have me sitting around in ports on 3 day trips, unpaid, spending 24 hours upline so I can do a red eye while subsidiaries come and go multiple times.
I need some recompense for sitting around terminals for 2 hours waiting, unpaid.
I need the company to be forced to build efficient patterns, that don’t have me paxing somewhere for 1/2 pay, or paxing for an unpaid overnight to pick up flying that should have been built out of another port during pattern planning. If I’m at work, they should pay me, 100%, no half pay. That’s just BS. They need to build efficient patterns. If I’m not at home, I should be getting paid 100%, not 50%. That’s MY time you’re taking and wasting.
You know, you spend 12 hours at work for 6 hrs credit which comes down to 3 hrs post tax. You look at the net hourly rate for that and wonder what the hell you’re actually doing there.
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
Let’s be honest, we squeeze a 10k pay rise out of the company, the government takes half of it anyway. Is it worth giving away any of the few lifestyle protections in shorthaul for that?
I need more days off, so that I’m spending several days less than 18 days per roster at work. Now THAT will make a difference to my life. I need dense flying that doesn’t have me sitting around in ports on 3 day trips, unpaid, spending 24 hours upline so I can do a red eye while subsidiaries come and go multiple times.
I need some recompense for sitting around terminals for 2 hours waiting, unpaid.
I need the company to be forced to build efficient patterns, that don’t have me paxing somewhere for 1/2 pay, or paxing for an unpaid overnight to pick up flying that should have been built out of another port during pattern planning. If I’m at work, they should pay me, 100%, no half pay. That’s just BS. They need to build efficient patterns. If I’m not at home, I should be getting paid 100%, not 50%. That’s MY time you’re taking and wasting.
You know, you spend 12 hours at work for 6 hrs credit which comes down to 3 hrs post tax. You look at the net hourly rate for that and wonder what the hell you’re actually doing there.
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
Last edited by DirectAnywhere; 24th Jan 2024 at 04:15.
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I need the company to be forced to build efficient patterns……..
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
, once MDC was introduced, the patterns became more efficient and it was the norm to be exceeding the MDC even on day trips.
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Dear Association and Federation ,
Please see DirectAnywhere post #163 as an initial log of claims with no offsets to be given, as these were given in the Winton Variation.
Regards,
SH.
Please see DirectAnywhere post #163 as an initial log of claims with no offsets to be given, as these were given in the Winton Variation.
Regards,
SH.
Let’s be honest, we squeeze a 10k pay rise out of the company, the government takes half of it anyway. Is it worth giving away any of the few lifestyle protections in shorthaul for that?
I need more days off, several less than 18 days per roster at work. Now THAT will make a difference to my life. I need dense flying that doesn’t have me sitting around in ports on 3 day trips, unpaid, spending 24 hours upline so I can do a red eye while subsidiaries come and go multiple times.
I need some recompense for sitting around terminals for 2 hours waiting, unpaid.
I need the company to be forced to build efficient patterns, that don’t have me paxing somewhere for 1/2 pay, or paxing for an unpaid overnight to pick up flying that should have been built out of another port during pattern planning. If I’m at work, they should pay me, 100%, no half pay. That’s just BS. They need to build efficient patterns. If I’m not at home, I should be getting paid 100%, not 50%. That’s MY time you’re taking and wasting.
You know, you spend 12 hours at work for 6 hrs credit which comes down to 3 hrs post tax. You look at the net hourly rate for that and wonder what the hell you’re actually doing there.
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
I need more days off, several less than 18 days per roster at work. Now THAT will make a difference to my life. I need dense flying that doesn’t have me sitting around in ports on 3 day trips, unpaid, spending 24 hours upline so I can do a red eye while subsidiaries come and go multiple times.
I need some recompense for sitting around terminals for 2 hours waiting, unpaid.
I need the company to be forced to build efficient patterns, that don’t have me paxing somewhere for 1/2 pay, or paxing for an unpaid overnight to pick up flying that should have been built out of another port during pattern planning. If I’m at work, they should pay me, 100%, no half pay. That’s just BS. They need to build efficient patterns. If I’m not at home, I should be getting paid 100%, not 50%. That’s MY time you’re taking and wasting.
You know, you spend 12 hours at work for 6 hrs credit which comes down to 3 hrs post tax. You look at the net hourly rate for that and wonder what the hell you’re actually doing there.
What I really want is more days off and more efficiency when I’m at work - dense days and fewer of them (and then not getting screwed on the resultant AV days for 2 hours pay to pax MEL/SYD to operate one sector).
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Something that made Air NZ 320 rosters significantly better was Duty minus three for domestic duties. Came in around 2017ish.
i.e. work 10 hours then you get paid for 7 no matter how long you twiddled your thumbs in WLG.
The amount of time just sitting around reduced to almost zero overnight. If you worked a 10 hour day you were now guaranteed 7 hours (or more if you flew more) of pay. Made a big difference.
No more AKL-WLG sit around for 5 hours then fly home and only get paid 2:10 for an 8:30 duty.
i.e. work 10 hours then you get paid for 7 no matter how long you twiddled your thumbs in WLG.
The amount of time just sitting around reduced to almost zero overnight. If you worked a 10 hour day you were now guaranteed 7 hours (or more if you flew more) of pay. Made a big difference.
No more AKL-WLG sit around for 5 hours then fly home and only get paid 2:10 for an 8:30 duty.
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I get where you’re coming from Clearice.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
At the moment pilots who feel like you have two choices, A) work flat- out and deal with the health and lifestyle issues, or B) Retire asap.
Maybe you guys and gals could negotiate for an option C where you can ease out of the industry over your last working decade? It would benefit the company in that long term sickness would decline and pilots would work on an extra couple of years. It would also be nice to hold onto the experience for a bit longer although I doubt the company would see that as a benefit.
What we need to achieve as an industry is fair pay gains to offset inflation, appropriate fatigue rules especially around roster builds etc AND an appropriate work life balance.
Even the office minions are moving towards a 4 day working week.
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One more point, and I don’t want to turn this to into a discussion on tax, but it’s relevant today.
Even if you do squeeze an extra 10k from your employer in your next EA, the government has just ensured you won’t see a single cent of that increase if you’re a typical pilot, compared to their stated tax policy yesterday. You’re already 5k p/a in the hole thanks to changes to stage 3.
Lifestyle improvements will cost the company far more than a few bucks in extra pay too. They will fight those tooth and nail.
if they had any sense, they’d roll over the new EA on exisiting terms on a 3%x 4 year deal. I don’t think they’re that smart.
Even if you do squeeze an extra 10k from your employer in your next EA, the government has just ensured you won’t see a single cent of that increase if you’re a typical pilot, compared to their stated tax policy yesterday. You’re already 5k p/a in the hole thanks to changes to stage 3.
Lifestyle improvements will cost the company far more than a few bucks in extra pay too. They will fight those tooth and nail.
if they had any sense, they’d roll over the new EA on exisiting terms on a 3%x 4 year deal. I don’t think they’re that smart.
One more point, and I don’t want to turn this to into a discussion on tax, but it’s relevant today.
Even if you do squeeze an extra 10k from your employer in your next EA, the government has just ensured you won’t see a single cent of that increase if you’re a typical pilot, compared to their stated tax policy yesterday. You’re already 5k p/a in the hole thanks to changes to stage 3.
Lifestyle improvements will cost the company far more than a few bucks in extra pay too. They will fight those tooth and nail.
if they had any sense, they’d roll over the new EA on exisiting terms on a 3%x 4 year deal. I don’t think they’re that smart.
Even if you do squeeze an extra 10k from your employer in your next EA, the government has just ensured you won’t see a single cent of that increase if you’re a typical pilot, compared to their stated tax policy yesterday. You’re already 5k p/a in the hole thanks to changes to stage 3.
Lifestyle improvements will cost the company far more than a few bucks in extra pay too. They will fight those tooth and nail.
if they had any sense, they’d roll over the new EA on exisiting terms on a 3%x 4 year deal. I don’t think they’re that smart.
Your proposal would get laughed out of the room.
Southwest just got 30% overnight plus another 20% over five years. Cathay publically admitting they stuffed up pilot numbers during COVID and the shortage is killing them - they’re parking frames!
12%? Yeah, nah.
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From what my mates say, 12% over four years is half of what is required.
Your proposal would get laughed out of the room.
Southwest just got 30% overnight plus another 20% over five years. Cathay publically admitting they stuffed up pilot numbers during COVID and the shortage is killing them - they’re parking frames!
12%? Yeah, nah.
Your proposal would get laughed out of the room.
Southwest just got 30% overnight plus another 20% over five years. Cathay publically admitting they stuffed up pilot numbers during COVID and the shortage is killing them - they’re parking frames!
12%? Yeah, nah.
Basically, pure $$ isn’t going to cut it - the tax system is making sure of that.
They can keep their $$ but I want an extra 3 days off a month, minimum….and I don’t want to be at work for 3 days for 9 hrs credit….and I don’t want to be sitting in a crew room waiting two hours for an aeroplane for zero $$…and I don’t want to be paxing somewhere for 50% credit…and I don’t want to be at work for a day for one hour pay if I’m paxing to pick up flying that’s been built out of my base when it shouldn’t have etc.
I can guarantee those changes I want would cost them far more than 3%. That’s the point I was trying to make, albeit poorly perhaps.
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You need to read my last post in context of my previous one.
Basically, pure $$ isn’t going to cut it - the tax system is making sure of that.
They can keep their $$ but I want an extra 3 days off a month, minimum….and I don’t want to be at work for 3 days for 9 hrs credit….and I don’t want to be sitting in a crew room waiting two hours for an aeroplane for zero $$…and I don’t want to be paxing somewhere for 50% credit…and I don’t want to be at work for a day for one hour pay if I’m paxing to pick up flying that’s been built out of my base when it shouldn’t have etc.
I can guarantee those changes I want would cost them far more than 3%. That’s the point I was trying to make, albeit poorly perhaps.
Basically, pure $$ isn’t going to cut it - the tax system is making sure of that.
They can keep their $$ but I want an extra 3 days off a month, minimum….and I don’t want to be at work for 3 days for 9 hrs credit….and I don’t want to be sitting in a crew room waiting two hours for an aeroplane for zero $$…and I don’t want to be paxing somewhere for 50% credit…and I don’t want to be at work for a day for one hour pay if I’m paxing to pick up flying that’s been built out of my base when it shouldn’t have etc.
I can guarantee those changes I want would cost them far more than 3%. That’s the point I was trying to make, albeit poorly perhaps.
All valid points and excellent posts! I fully support all Australian pilot groups in getting pay increases and lifestyle improvements.
I hope that pilots as a group are able to stand up behind what Network have started and make meaningful gains.
It might take time but if everyone just keeps voting no to the unacceptable offers that management will no doubt put forward time and again, perhaps the message will get through?
Good luck all!
I hope that pilots as a group are able to stand up behind what Network have started and make meaningful gains.
It might take time but if everyone just keeps voting no to the unacceptable offers that management will no doubt put forward time and again, perhaps the message will get through?
Good luck all!
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