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Old 8th Feb 2022, 11:28
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 12:03
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And they have just stopped reporting the vaccinated status of the dead because the double vaccinated have overtaken the death rate of the unvaccinated
Ironically, you have just explained why they stopped reporting it, without even realising it.

They stopped reporting it because many people like GH and yourself will interpret that data as meaning that vaccinations don’t reduce your risk of dying of COVID-19.

It’s about understanding statistics.

For example, if 50% of people were unvaccinated, and 50% of deaths were unvaccinated, then simplistically you might deduce that the vaccination doesn’t help. But back in the snapshot of time when 50% were unvaccinated, the death rate of the unvaccinated was much higher than the vaccinated.

Now that 4% of people are unvaccinated, you would only expect 4% of deaths to be unvaccinated - if, indeed, your theory is correct that the vaccine is no help. You would expect that for every 25 deaths, 24 of them would be vaccinated. And that is no-where near what we are seeing.

Even that is a mis-interpretation of statistics, as not all people have the same risk profile.

So an even better use of statistics would be to compare the vaccination status of the high-risk group, which may not be the same as the 96% vaccination status of the population as a whole. I don’t know what the vaccination rate of the high-risk group is, but I’m sure the health experts do.

And an even better use of statistics would be to look at the death rates in the “double vaccinated” compared to “triple vaccinated”, as studies have shown that double vaccinated effectivity reduces after 3 months, considerably so after 6 months, and particularly for those who had 2x Astra Zeneca, which was the only vaccine that most of the high risk group (the older population) were initially eligible for.

But the main point is that the health experts who do look at the statistics, and understand them, say that statistically, vaccinations significantly reduce the chance of death. That is really all you need to know. That you, GH and others choose to disbelieve them, perhaps thinking that a conspiracy is at play, is sad.

I’m talking about the health experts here, not the politicians. The politicians lie every time their lips move, we all know that. So to find the truth, we have listen to those who have no reason to conspire or get votes. And not just the fringe 1% of them who happen to say what we want to hear (they will always exist) - listen to what the consensus of the other 99% of them are saying.

BTW, I made up that statistic of 1%, in case anyone wants to accuse me of inventing statistics! “You can use statistics to prove anything - 75% of people know that” - Homer J. Simpson.
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 14:40
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We have seen the "Fringe Minority" at work in Canada.
The Canadian Truck protest is not supported by many Canadians, in fact all they have succeeded in doing is to have alienated and upset most local residents with their antics. The vast majority of Canadians, including truck drivers, have been vaccinated. The government has not given the slightest indication they’re going to cave in. It also seems this protest is an “astroturfed” one, fake grassroots, funded and promoted by powerful American media and political sources.


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LOL they did deliver the letter.
If you watch the subsequent videos from that channel they reveal they couldn’t get past the security guards outside the PM’s office.

The letters would have been taken by the PM’s secretary and filed directly in the bin. Scotty has more important things to worry about at the moment than “demands” from anti vax nutjobs, he’s trying to find who’s trying to knife him in his own party, it’s a long list.....
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 14:41
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Name that guy! and copy and paste the bet he made.

I think you will find - you made a mistake.

That gave me a laugh too.
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”I would have money on Mr Hood getting a seat at the table with the PM for discussions this week, I doubt any other here on PPRuNe will get an invite.”
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post
We have seen the "Fringe Minority" at work in Canada.
85% of Canadian truck drivers are vaccinated.
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 20:06
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Originally Posted by cameltruck View Post
I really do feel sorry for Mr Hood....

....I'm not taking the anti-vax stance, I'm simply questioning why we still need all these restrictive rules which don't appear to be working in a health and well being sense.

I feel the Covid-19 rule book is no longer serving its purpose and is way overdue to be thrown out, which has to happen one day, the sooner the better. This is how we get back to a normal life, not by vilifying the unvaccinated or segregating people based on a vaccine treatment that is so variable in its effectiveness.
A thoughtful response and well stated, Cameltruck.

There's not a lot to add except for support, except perhaps that since Canada is being quoted for some reason let's also note that Denmark, Norway, UK, Austria, the Netherlands and Ireland have, or are in the process of, removing their restrictions and discriminations in order to allow people to return to a normal life 👍 All are between 71%-81% 'fully vaccinated', whatever that actually means.
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 21:22
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let's also note that Denmark, Norway, UK, Austria, the Netherlands and Ireland have, or are in the process of, removing their restrictions and discriminations in order to allow people to return to a normal life
All those countries reimposed restrictions during the northern winter as Omicron went nuts. They are all coming into summer so of course they are removing their restrictions. Lets wait and see how Australia goes through winter before all restrictions are lifted. As for vilifying the unvaccinated, well their behavior and arrogance does make them ripe for derision by the majority who feel that being vaccinated will help the community live without lockdowns and restrictions.
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 22:27
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Delivering "a letter of demand to the government".

A stroke of genius.

I can imagine all of the expensive Canberra lobbyists scratching their heads over a morning coffee at Manuka and thinking: "Why didn't I think of that?"
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Old 8th Feb 2022, 23:00
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Or.................

..............I can imagine all of the expensive Canberra lobbyists scratching their heads over a morning coffee at Manuka and thinking: "Why didn't I think of that, instead of plying them with expensive gifts and thinly disguised bribes?"
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Originally Posted by Bend alot View Post

I would have money on Mr Hood getting a seat at the table with the PM for discussions this week, I doubt any other here on PPRuNe will get an invite.
So, this didn't happen. Hiw would you like to pay up, Bendy?
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 00:18
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Originally Posted by WingNut60 View Post
Or.................

..............I can imagine all of the expensive Canberra lobbyists scratching their heads over a morning coffee at Manuka and thinking: "Why didn't I think of that, instead of plying them with expensive gifts and thinly disguised bribes?"
Yeah nah.

There's that metaphor about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 00:20
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Nice peeps Bendy supports-
Activist who demanded Scott Morrison be sent 'to the gallows' escorted into Parliament House by Craig Kelly (msn.com)
Thiis the bit I like.
The group included activist Simeon Boikov, the leader of the "Australian Cossacks", a pro-Vladimir Putin organisation.
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:06
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So why did the ex-pilot change from his pseudo pilots shirt into something more presentable when filmed inside Kelly's office?

Refer to fer vids in posts 45 and 72.

Was there a mandate on dress standards?
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:25
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I once posted on youtube a comment regarding 3 or 4 qantas pilots flying warbirds out of Mittagong. They were flying these things wearing flying suits with full RAAF patches and RAAF wings.
I argued that they should NOT be wearing anything RAAF as they are NOT RAAF pilots. I got torn apart by people telling me they are great guys, I should get a life, I was a loser etc etc.

Fact is - they were not RAAF pilots, they had seperated and in no way retained the right to wear the "uniform." Guarantee they would not walk around in the blue uniform with RAAF wings, rank and name tag, so why the flying suit, wings and patches.

Same with this guy - once you leave, you lose the right to parade as a member. Imagine a retired copper walking around in police uniform. I'm ex RAAF and I no longer wear the uniform, and if I go civvy flying (the Mittagong boys) I am not suddenly back in the RAAF wearing the uniform.

Ditch the unifrmm Hood - you don't work for that company.
I guess the question is, should he have stopped working for that company because he chose to not be vaccinated?

Personally, I’m all jabbed up and having just gotten over COVID-19, I’m very grateful that I made the choice to be jabbed up as soon as I qualified.

The freedom March is a movement, that personally, I support. I also support the displaying/wearing of the Uniforms or identifiers of the protesters former “employers”. It displays that the protesters are from a variety of different professions and despite the media/government narrative, they are not “extremist right wing anti vaxxers”.

In Oz, we are at an amazing level of vaccination, which is wonderful (in my opinion). However, the fact that we are continuing to enforce “emergency” powers to fine/sack and conduct medical apartheid against an element of our society, is abhorrent. There are people that have chosen to not be vaccinated and are standing true to their values, I respect that. To think that our layers of government are loving the Totalitarian approach is Orwellian.

Rather than labeling them all as “loonies” perhaps take the time and ask someone who isn’t vaccinated as to why they made that choice and why they feel the need to protest? You might be surprised at the common values and morals that you share?

Let’s not forget that we had the Victorian Government labeling protesters at the Shrine of Remembrance as “disrespectful” , whilst at the same time the Victorian Police were shooting at Peaceful Protesters, with Assault Rifles (saying it was only plastic bullets misses the irony) at the Shrine of Remembrance - that is the definition of “hypocrisy”. Oh yeah, the Police were in Uniform but that’s ok if you are shooting at Peaceful Protesters - Australia has lost it’s spine. Good to see some of it’s citizens can see the folly of “emergency” powers.
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:39
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Originally Posted by Doors Off View Post

Rather than labeling them all as “loonies” perhaps take the time and ask someone who isn’t vaccinated as to why they made that choice and why they feel the need to protest? You might be surprised at the common values and morals that you share?
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I've done exactley this. Three of my collegues chose dismissal over vaccination, and I had the chance to speak withh all of them, and several more who did so under protest..

EVERY ONE based their decision at least in part on simply wrong factual beliefs. It ranged from "It changes your DNA" to an actual "It's a Bill Gates microchip", but all had at least one idea that was simply wrong, but could not be disuaded.

Each ALSO had a wrong idea regarding the law. "It's unconstituational". When I asked "Which article of the constitution?" there was a long silence. Captain Dookie made a similar claim in his initial rant- again without being able to say exactley how.

And lastly- "Mah Freedom". Of COURSE you can be of the opinion that the Government is being heavy handed. I would disagree, but that's what freedom is. Why would someone refuse to have a vaccine that they acknowledge works- that protects them, thier families and the community- in order to what? Stick it to the man?

You're allowed to think speed limits are too low. You don't get to drive down the wrong side of the highway at 150KPH because- "Mah Freedom"...
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:44
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As someone said recently, freedom of choice does not equal freedom from consequence.
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:46
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
I've done exactley this. Three of my collegues chose dismissal over vaccination, and I had the chance to speak withh all of them, and several more who did so under protest..

EVERY ONE based their decision at least in part on simply wrong factual beliefs. It ranged from "It changes your DNA" to an actual "It's a Bill Gates microchip", but all had at least one idea that was simply wrong, but could not be disuaded.

Each ALSO had a wrong idea regarding the law. "It's unconstituational". When I asked "Which article of the constitution?" there was a long silence. Captain Dookie made a similar claim in his initial rant- again without being able to say exactley how.

And lastly- "Mah Freedom". Of COURSE you can be of the opinion that the Government is being heavy handed. I would disagree, but that's what freedom is. Why would someone refuse to have a vaccine that they acknowledge works- that protects them, thier families and the community- in order to what? Stick it to the man?

You're allowed to think speed limits are too low. You don't get to drive down the wrong side of the highway at 150KPH because- "Mah Freedom"...
Spot on Wiz
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 02:50
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Just watched the video clips from page 1, holy crap ​​​​​​
Just another perfect example of how insignificant/useless/BS the Qantarse physco testing is.
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 03:25
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Thrice jabbed and supporting of mandates and ‘medical apartheid’

And I’ll continue to support mandates and medical apartheid until I am no longer hearing the seemingly never ending tales of the distress Covid is causing members of the medical & allied health professionals.

When they get their lives back to normal, I believe we can think about getting our lives (fully) back to normal
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Old 9th Feb 2022, 03:54
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I expect Scotty will be laying out the red carpet for Craig Kelly and co, as we speak. Probably crack open the bar fridge as well. (What happened to the QF uniform?)
In a video clip of him being signed into Parliament house by that clown Craig Kelly you get a brief glimpse on the back of his shirt the words Qantas Pilot, written in felt tip pen. I think he may need specialised help.

Looking at the video of them in Kelly's office the person wearing the shirt is not Hood, it looks like the bloke with the stethoscope

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