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Old 30th Jan 2022, 08:32
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Air New Zealand had been a bit on again, off again when it came to the New Zealand flag being displayed on their aircraft.
Maybe they're sick of everyone asking why they have the Australian flag on their aircraft?
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 09:49
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This is the solution that will satisfy everyone.



It's a 4 dose regime.
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Maybe they're sick of everyone asking why they have the Australian flag on their aircraft?
Or they figured that the name of the country is right there on the tin so adding a flag is redundant.
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:17
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Originally Posted by cameltruck View Post
This is the solution that will satisfy everyone.



It's a 4 dose regime.
Oh dear. It's important stuff like beer that will definitely set off the various state rivalries.
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:20
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Originally Posted by cameltruck View Post
This is the solution that will satisfy everyone.



It's a 4 dose regime.
At least it's more Australian than the current flag, even though XXXX is technically owned by a Japanese company. Maybe just fill it with beers from a independently owned craft brewery in each state.

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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:36
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For the country that can't spell......
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Old 30th Jan 2022, 10:40
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Or they figured that the name of the country is right there on the tin so adding a flag is redundant.
Guess these guys didn't get that memo.



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Old 30th Jan 2022, 11:13
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was View Post
Guess these guys didn't get that memo.

You know how the Americans love their flag ... and redundancy.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 00:34
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Originally Posted by wombat watcher View Post
The answer to your last question:
who owns the aircraft; definitely not you. The owners decide what they paint on their aircraft.


So who do you think the “First Nations” people of the United Kingdom are and which flag should British Airways have on their aircraft.?
Would it be the owner or the operator that would make that decision? Does Qantas own all the aircraft they operate?
I don't have an opinion on who the "First Nations" people of the UK are or what flag BA should have on it's aircraft.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 13:27
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There's a reason why every Canadian backpacker seems to have one sewn onto their backpack
There's a reason why every Australian backpacker seems to have one sewn onto their backpack
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 16:46
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Does "Aboriginal" by definition include the TSI peoples?
It does. And in recent years descendants of the Melanesian South Sea Islander labourers are also being recognized at Aboriginal. Wonder how long before they want their own flag?

There are 798,400 Australians that identify as Aboriginal, 3.1% of the Australian population. Of that 3.1% of the population less than 15% (approximately 120,000 or less than 0.5% of the Australian population) are agitating for change. Changes to Australia Day are not supported by respected Aboriginal leaders or the majority of those that identify as Aboriginal:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/disgrace...a-01a75c9dc68b

https://www.jacintaprice.com/jacinta...pect_celebrate

https://capeyorkpartnership.org.au/a...n-old-and-new/

Spanish philosopher George Santayana is credited with the aphorism, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,” while British statesman Winston Churchill wrote, “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Our Australian flag is a symbol of our short but proud history and the Australian lives lost endeavouring to make the world a free and better place. Our system of Government has given us a standard of living, freedom and democracy envied around the World.

A change to the date of Australia Day, a change of National Flag, or a change of method of Government may well be contrary to the wishes and alienate the vast majority of Australians, of all races, creed, or political persuasion.

If it isn't broken why do we want each new generation to rewrite our Australian history and replace a system of Government that has served all Australians so well?

One would hope that the wishes of a majority of all Australians and a majority of those that identify as Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander and South Sea Islander are respected.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 20:46
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Our Australian flag is a symbol of our short but proud history and the Australian lives lost endeavouring to make the world a free and better place. Our system of Government has given us a standard of living, freedom and democracy envied around the World.
Very true but all that came about on 1 January 1901 when a bunch of separate colonies became a federation. Its also what the national flag represents. How many people actually know what the big white star on the flag represents? Lets celebrate that as Australia Day and gazette the third Monday in January as the public holiday. That is the ideals that the Australians fought and died for. All January 26 represents is when a bunch of convicts and their military guards finally got off the boat in the name of an English King and got drunk. If you want to get rid of the Union Jack off the flag and become a Republic then 26 January has to go as well. If we do become a Republic then make that the national holiday and make it a date other than 26 January.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 20:59
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Very true but all that came about on 1 January 1901 when a bunch of separate colonies became a federation. Its also what the national flag represents. How many people actually know what the big white star on the flag represents? Lets celebrate that as Australia Day and gazette the third Monday in January as the public holiday. That is the ideals that the Australians fought and died for. All January 26 represents is when a bunch of convicts and their military guards finally got off the boat in the name of an English King and got drunk. If you want to get rid of the Union Jack off the flag and become a Republic then 26 January has to go as well. If we do become a Republic then make that the national holiday and make it a date other than 26 January.
I guess the big white star is to differentiate us from the New Zealand flag? I have welsh origins so still don't understand why the welsh flag is not incorporated somewhere in the union flag!
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 22:09
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Australia is unique. We are the only country that eats the animals on the Coat of Arms. The Poms might have done it in the past, after all, there is a definite shortage of unicorns and lions in their country. But we still do it.

Our history as a nation, much as the wokeys want to change it, began on 26 Jan 1788 with a bunch of Poms. Can't avoid that one or re-write history around it. And we became a great nation, with the help of the various immigrants whether voluntary or in chains. That is history, warts and all. Add to that the Chinese involvement in the gold rush, the Afghanis helping to build the railways, the influx of Asians once the White Australia policy was wiped, the middle Europeans who built the Snowy, the Greeks who built our cafes, the Italians who built our fruit shops, and the First Nations people who built....the....the...........

Let us remember our roots. Of the majority. Let's not allow the minority tail to wag the dog.
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 00:04
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
It does. And in recent years descendants of the Melanesian South Sea Islander labourers are also being recognized at Aboriginal. Wonder how long before they want their own flag?

There are 798,400 Australians that identify as Aboriginal, 3.1% of the Australian population. Of that 3.1% of the population less than 15% (approximately 120,000 or less than 0.5% of the Australian population) are agitating for change.
Some recent polls have shown 55% to 33% support from the overall population to changing the date other polls 60% in favour of a change or establishment of a separate day for indigenous recognition. A bit more than 0.5%.

While there are polls in the opposite direction, what it shows is opinion on the day is divided and Jan 26 is not a day of national unity as it's supporters claim it should be.

But there's a second issue. It's not really polls for or against a date change, it's the fact that there is a growing lack of interest in January 26th being seen as a day of national celebration. Businesses across the board have basically stopped all recognition of the date, even accounting for the pandemic there was a distinct lack of interest in those I know to hold Australia day celebrations, the number of flags on cars etc seemed far less. So while a small majority may support keeping Jan 26 as the national day, that may just be limited to the AOTY announcements and some citizenship ceremonies. This poll last year showed 53% saw Jan 26 as "just another public holiday" as opposed to 29% "a day to do something to celebrate Australia".

So whilst the date may remain the same the nation's attitude to how they view the day is shifting. Especially amongst the youth. I sort of see the current situation like the SSM debate. That started out as a minority position, but when prominent people and businesses made the case the opinions polls swung around quite rapidly. And with a larger support for changing the date amongst the youth then there's an air of inevitability over the whole thing.

Changes to Australia Day are not supported by respected Aboriginal leaders or the majority of those that identify as Aboriginal:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/disgrace...a-01a75c9dc68b
https://www.jacintaprice.com/jacinta...pect_celebrate
https://capeyorkpartnership.org.au/a...n-old-and-new/
I'm not sure where you got that the majority of Indigenous people don't support a change to Australia Day, polling shows a majority of Indigenous people in support of a change as far back as 2017 before attitudes began to shift in the overall population.

Respected leaders? Two conservative aligned pollies, and Noel Pearson who actually in that message supports an expansion of the current date to Jan 25 to mark the sovereignty of Indigenous people over the land of Australia. Plenty of other respected Indigenous leaders have been calling for a date change.

A change to the date of Australia Day, a change of National Flag, or a change of method of Government may well be contrary to the wishes and alienate the vast majority of Australians, of all races, creed, or political persuasion.
Well almost 2/3rds in support of a flag change recently.

One would hope that the wishes of a majority of all Australians and a majority of those that identify as Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander and South Sea Islander are respected.
Yes, I hope so too......
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 00:28
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Very true but all that came about on 1 January 1901 when a bunch of separate colonies became a federation. Its also what the national flag represents. How many people actually know what the big white star on the flag represents? Lets celebrate that as Australia Day and gazette the third Monday in January as the public holiday. That is the ideals that the Australians fought and died for. All January 26 represents is when a bunch of convicts and their military guards finally got off the boat in the name of an English King and got drunk. If you want to get rid of the Union Jack off the flag and become a Republic then 26 January has to go as well. If we do become a Republic then make that the national holiday and make it a date other than 26 January.
There's another fact I recently learned about the "tradition" of Australia Day on the 26th of January. The 26th has only been the official public holiday in all states and territories from 1994. Before then it was common for the public holiday to be on a Monday.

Maybe make the holiday the last Monday in January so it's a long weekend before school goes back.
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 00:37
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And we became a great nation, with the help of the various immigrants whether voluntary or in chains. That is history, warts and all. Add to that the Chinese involvement in the gold rush,
Its the warts and all bit that should be addressed. Like the towards the Chinese involved in the gold rush. Which actually was directly responsible for the White Australia policy that is referred to:

the influx of Asians once the White Australia policy was wiped,
It was no small thing and highlights the racism that was a part of the first white settlement. So lets address the past and look at how First Nations people were treated. Is massacre or genocide too strong for proud White Australian sensibilities? If the colonial history can be looked at honestly then maybe the Anglo population might start to understand why 26 January continues to be a problem. BTW the holiday was only gazetted in 1994 so it is just as easy to change it as it was to institute it.
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 00:45
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I would like to think we will become a republic one day so that day will replace Jan 26 (so long as we dont declare the republic on that day!
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Old 1st Feb 2022, 02:11
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There's another fact I recently learned about the "tradition" of Australia Day on the 26th of January. The 26th has only been the official public holiday in all states and territories from 1994. Before then it was common for the public holiday to be on a Monday.
And even before that it has only been recognised as Australia Day since 1935. For a long time "Empire Day" was considered to be the national holiday. I'm sure there were many who were outraged that "Empire Day" was no longer being celebrated.
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I'm sure there were many who were outraged that "Empire Day" was no longer being celebrated.
Not outraged, but disappointed - it used to be "Cracker Night" in the 50s and we would save our pocket money for months to buy fireworks - penny rockets, tom thumbs, catherine wheels, double bungers and so on. Some people were silly enough to point them at others and cause injuries, and eventually private fireworks were banned sometime in the 80s?

But if you REALLY want to disagree with the way that people were enslaved, entire cities were wiped out, genocide was approved and even commanded, just open your Bible. However, I reckon that nobody would be brave enough to demand that religion be removed from our history and indeed our lives. Double standards, just go for the low-hanging fruit.
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