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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:40
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
You forget that many on this forum have spent time in Aboriginal communities and have first hand experience of Aboriginal life. That might have something to do with the push back.

Second to that noone has died defending the Aboriginal Flag but plenty have died for the Australian one and what that stood for. Maybe a little reality check is required in that department.
I am familiar with the communities. We have a propensity to judge other cultures from our own lived experiences. A little bit of compassion and empathy can go a long way.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:53
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Our flag is too similar to the NZ flag and Australia is too similar to Austria. If we are going to change the flag can we also change the name?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:54
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE View Post
Mr Proach, rather than pontificate here on this issue (& make BS accusations on racism) why don’t you write to Alan Joyce yourself if you feel that strongly about it!
ps it’s APARTHEID not APARTSIDE - do a bit of research if you don’t know - otherwise you come across as someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about…

Someone missed the joke Nice riposte Mr. P
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:06
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
As for the "Invasion Day", where would they be if we hadn't "invaded"? The previous 50,000 years weren't all that productive.
'They' would be speaking Dutch, or German, or Japanese...or just not be around anymore.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:25
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Qantas could have put the Aboriginal flag on their aircraft years ago if they wanted to, the recent ownership doesn't really change much. They just would have had to pay a licensing fee to the... wait... nevermind, I think I just answered my own question.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:29
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I am familiar with the communities. We have a propensity to judge other cultures from our own lived experiences. A little bit of compassion and empathy can go a long way.
Plenty of compassion, charity not to mention billions of taxpayers dollars have been spent, and what do we have as a result in 2022?
Honestly what do you think the end game here is really?? Are people suggesting we need to install Aboriginal Law over our constitution? Is anyone, including full blooded Aboriginals going back to throwing spears and hunting Kangaroos living naked in the wild? Honestly what is the point of all this?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:34
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Take your pick of colonial powers, one of them would have ended up here. Better or worse than the Brits? History would be a pretty good guide on that. Suggest that things are far better for the colonisation than they ever would have been regardless of another colonial power or no 'invasion' at all.

The money spent on indigenous 'issues' is staggering for extremely poor outcomes, an inconvenient truth.

For every indigenous leader wanting more welfare, handouts, land rights etc there is an indigenous leader wanting an end to more welfare, handouts etc.

Things will never change until the level of violence within indigenous communities is acknowledged and addressed, another inconvenient truth for the clowns jumping on the invasion day bandwagon.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 03:26
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Question: Does adding another flag to the side of an aircraft bring people together, “reconcile” them as one nation or does it create division and a separate group, distinct from the whole?
Probably just as much as changing the date to any other day on the calendar would.
The true intent of many "change the daters" is to remove any Australian Day Celebration - as they don't believe "we" are worthy of having a day to celebrate.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 03:36
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
My goodness there are a lot of very stupid people on these forums. All the government has done is purchase the copyright to the flag and as such it is freely available for anyone to obtain one and display it. It does not mean that it has become the official flag of the country!!!! One day this country will have to come to terms with its past but for now put your racist attitudes away and just let First Nations people have this moment.

It actually is an official flag of the country, recognised by the flags act since 1995....
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 05:16
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The Aboriginal Flag was designed by Aboriginal artist Harold Thomas in 1971.

The rights to the flag were owned by non Aboriginal company WAM Clothing, who were the licensed owner of the image.

The Federal Government acquired the copyright and the flag is now available freely for all Austlians to use. But it is not our National Flag.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...omas/100779922
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 05:35
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The RSA had two official languages. One side of SAA's aircraft carried English, the other carried Afrikaans. Apart from that, bi
both sides were identica were they not!
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 06:10
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Originally Posted by Mr Proach View Post
It appears there is a long way to go. That said, it is encouraging to see that some progress is being made in a few areas.
What a poor attempt at virtue signalling. Its the usual self righteous crap we’ve come to expect from Karens with nothing better to do.

It appears there is a long way to go? There it is. You’re already there….obviously, and the rest of us who may disagree, have a long way to catch up to you. At least you can be heartened at some progress being made, perhaps we can all grow up to be just like you eh?

I bet you say “correct” when someone says something you agree with. As if it wasn’t the truth until you confirmed it was. Hail Mr Proach o arbiter of truth.

I doubt there has ever been a time where there are more insufferable useful idiots on the planet than there are now. The yawning chasm between their impression of their intellect and the actual is so wide that no amount of moral posturing or preening could hope to fill it.

Wanna know how we know this? The first comment that disagreed with you, you played the race card. Game over Karen.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 06:20
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Didn't Qantas solve racism years ago?


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Old 27th Jan 2022, 07:58
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
Didn't Qantas solve racism years ago?

That took longer than expected.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 07:59
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
The Aboriginal Flag was designed by Aboriginal artist Harold Thomas in 1971.

The rights to the flag were owned by non Aboriginal company WAM Clothing, who were the licensed owner of the image.

The Federal Government acquired the copyright and the flag is now available freely for all Austlians to use. But it is not our National Flag.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...omas/100779922
geeez,
It is very confusing when someone inserts the facts.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 09:06
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Originally Posted by tail wheel View Post
Internationally we should be recognized under one flag, the Australian Flag.
Why shouldn't the Aboriginal flag be recognised internationally?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 09:18
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
As for the "Invasion Day", where would they be if we hadn't "invaded"? The previous 50,000 years weren't all that productive.
In your opinion, has the first nation's people quality of life improved or deteriorated since British occupation?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 10:17
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I kinda already like the Blue Ensign, and the Red Ensign, and the lighter RAF Ensign, it even links us back to the language we speak (or should that be spoke).

But we already have an Australian flag...



Dunno why it uses the colours of the Brazilian soccer team though.



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Old 27th Jan 2022, 11:07
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I kinda already like the Blue Ensign, and the Red Ensign, and the lighter RAF Ensign, it even links us back to the language we speak (or should that be spoke).
If you are referring to the Union Jack as English you might just be offending the Irish and Scottish parts that make up the flag. The Union Jack represents the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, four separate countries each with unique language. The English flag is just the cross of St George. At the time of of the Australian flags creation the United Kingdom included the entire Kingdom of Ireland. So what language should we be spoking to each other? English, Irish, Ulster Scots, Scots Gaelic or Welsh? I personally prefer Welsh, although I hear of late that Urdu is competing for the national language of England.

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Mr Proach View Post
Why shouldn't the Aboriginal flag be recognised internationally?
There's nothing saying additional flags can't be flown on airliners. The most prominent example is the EU flag, which adorns a lot of EU based carriers alongside their national flag. Some Caribbean carriers fly the Caribbean Community flag as well.

Australia's most prominent International Sporting event is the Australian Open, on right now. I can see at the presentation ceremonies they have the Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Flags displayed alongside the Australian flag with equal prominence. So like it or not the Aboriginal and TSI flags are being put on display as equal national flags as symbols of the nation by a lot of private businesses, state or local governments, national sporting teams and private citizens. Tourists to the nation (when they were/will be here) see these two additional flags being used alongside the national flag in a lot of places.

The decision by any Australian airline to place either flag on one of their aircraft (or none at all) is their own decision as they are all private companies, and there's not much anyone who would be opposed to such a move could do to stop them.

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The Union Jack represents the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, four separate countries each with unique language. The English flag is just the cross of St George.
Just to be brutally technical the Union Jack only represents the nations of England, Scotland and the whole of Ireland. Northern Ireland and Wales have no representation on that flag. They are the crosses of St George, a 3rd century Roman Emperor's guard, St Patrick, a 5th century Roman/Irish missionary and St Andrew, a 1st century apostle and fisherman in Judea. Absolutely none of them had anything whatsoever to do with the nation of Australia by the way.

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