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Old 26th Jan 2022, 22:09
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So, if people looking at the flag assume Australia is "still part of the UK, the big Jack in the corner says we are still a British dominion", does that hold true for this Pacific island community?

Plenty of national flags include symbols to recognise historic associations. Why shouldn't ours?
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 22:28
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Is that the Hawaiian state flag ?
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Old 26th Jan 2022, 22:38
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And it was a independent country at the time they installed it and never a British Colony!!

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Old 26th Jan 2022, 23:11
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE View Post
Mr Proach, rather than pontificate here on this issue (& make BS accusations on racism) why don’t you write to Alan Joyce yourself if you feel that strongly about it!

ps it’s APARTHEID not APARTSIDE - do a bit of research if you don’t know - otherwise you come across as someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about…

pps & $20 million to use the flag was a bargain too wasn’t it, said no one.
In which case I *almost* feel like apologising for my #7 which seems to have led to the OP's double entendre....

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Old 26th Jan 2022, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Mr Proach View Post
GREAT NEWS!! The ABORIGINAL (First Nations People) FLAG is now freely available for use by the general public. I trust that Qantas (and others), an Australian airline, in the Spirit of Australia will paint the Aboriginal Flag on it's aircraft as matter or priority. Wouldn't it be great for the flag to be seen at airports around the nation and the globe.
Has to be a wind up…
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:06
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Question: Does adding another flag to the side of an aircraft bring people together, “reconcile” them as one nation or does it create division and a separate group, distinct from the whole?
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:09
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:16
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I think you should flag the whole discussion.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:20
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE View Post
Mr Proach, rather than pontificate here on this issue (& make BS accusations on racism) why don’t you write to Alan Joyce yourself if you feel that strongly about it!

ps it’s APARTHEID not APARTSIDE - do a bit of research if you don’t know - otherwise you come across as someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about…

pps & $20 million to use the flag was a bargain too wasn’t it, said no one.
It was intended as a bit light hearted humour .... a pun on the South Africa (history of apartheid) and the comment of "markings" were on opposite sides of the airframe. Hence APARTSIDE.
With respect to the issue, I simply posted about the use of the aboriginal flag on Australian aircraft, I was surprised at the tone and aggressiveness of the responses which speaks volumes within itself. It appears there is a long way to go. That said, it is encouraging to see that some progress is being made in a few areas.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:26
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Cool

I wonder just what happened to the $20Mil..??

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:38
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Question: Does adding another flag to the side of an aircraft bring people together, “reconcile” them as one nation or does it create division and a separate group, distinct from the whole?
Nothwitstanding the argument of "division versus reconciliation", QF aircraft are flag carriers. One of the flags was subject to copyright laws. That no longer applies. These flags form part of our national identity. In my view, adding the flag to the flag carrier is a logical consequence.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:54
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Originally Posted by OldLurker View Post
Although this is your forum, it's read by people around the world who may not be familiar with the details of Aussie controvesries. Would someone care to explain what this is all about?

Hasn't the so-called "Aboriginal Flag" been freely available tor years, or did something just change? Isn't the "Australian National Flag" - you know, the one with the flag of those nasty Poms in the corner - still, well, the national flag? If the "Aboriginal Flag" should be on Qantas aircraft, shouldn't the Torres Strait Islander Flag be there too?

Granted, it would be great for both (or all three) flags to be seen around the globe.
Use of the Aboriginal flag was subject to copyright laws which was recently settled. You should find an article on abc.net.au .
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 00:55
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I wonder just what happened to the $20Mil..??
Could possibly donate some to pay for the damage to the old Parliament House doors.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:24
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I think this was kind of a joke...
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:31
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My goodness there are a lot of very stupid people on these forums. All the government has done is purchase the copyright to the flag and as such it is freely available for anyone to obtain one and display it. It does not mean that it has become the official flag of the country!!!! One day this country will have to come to terms with its past but for now put your racist attitudes away and just let First Nations people have this moment.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:31
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A land of sweeping….planes

The divisions among Australians is growing, and it’s a really sad state of affairs. There are those who are for and against vaccines, those who are for and against the indigenous or the white British settlers, divided political parties and divided religious groups. We are tearing ourselves apart. A once fairly free and easy going society has become a cesspool of hate and anger. We are moving more backwards with every sunrise, rather than moving forwards. Why can’t we move forward, united, rather than live in the past. You cannot undo the past but you can change the future. We could take a leaf out of this blokes book - Graham Cockerell, the organiser of ‘Need for Feed’. Google him. This bloke sets the bar high, coordinating feed runs for drought stricken Aussie farmers. Many every day salt of the earth truckies giving up their time and money to help a mate in need. Seriously, our Politicians, of all the parties, have their head up their asses. It’s up to people power, not political power, to bring about needed change, to assist one another, to ensure we remain united. People talk about putting pictures of flags on planes? How about putting pictures of blue truckie singlets on planes, or pictures of homesteads and livestock. That is where the heart and soul of our country is.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:31
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Occasionally having a passing interesting in Vexillology I looked into the meaning behind symbols in the Canton, the top left corner of a flag. The UK has used the Union Jack (technically the Union Flag) in the canton as a symbol of colonial or territorial ownership of places such as the Falklands, St Helena, Ascension, Bermuda, Turks and Caicos, the Cayman Islands, Monserrat and the Pitcairn Islands.

In terms of design I always look at Canada's flag to be one of the world's best, simple, striking and uniquely identifiable as Canadian. Their previous flag had a Union Jack in the canton and was a bit of a mess. No allegations that changing to the maple leaf would dishonour Canada's history. You can add other places like South Africa, Jamaica, Hong Kong, Barbados, Myanmar, Singapore and India that ditched the Union Jack at some point in time and adopted a more aesthetically pleasing and symbolically appropriate flag.

Design wise I admire these new Australian state flag designs based on a southern cross in the hoist third.

As to add aviation related discussion to this thread as it should have, well I guess airlines can paint whatever they want on the side of their aircraft! There's no reason or requirement they even have to have a national flag there. Air France, British Airways, Air New Zealand, are examples of "flag carriers" which don't have their nation's flag painted as a whole on the side of their aircraft, which is usually to the rear of the fuselage near the registration.

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Old 27th Jan 2022, 01:37
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With respect to the issue, I simply posted about the use of the aboriginal flag on Australian aircraft, I was surprised at the tone and aggressiveness of the responses which speaks volumes within itself. It appears there is a long way to go. That said, it is encouraging to see that some progress is being made in a few areas
You forget that many on this forum have spent time in Aboriginal communities and have first hand experience of Aboriginal life. That might have something to do with the push back.

Second to that noone has died defending the Aboriginal Flag but plenty have died for the Australian one and what that stood for. Maybe a little reality check is required in that department.
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:04
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It’s Time !
Country is so divided at the moment , covid has shown our federation’s weaknesses , labour have sensed it and are saying they want to discuss issues leading up to the election . Do we need the monarch now , that family is a mess , how about the British government ? It’s a mess , did they handle covid better than us ?
Time to become a republic , acknowledge where we came from . We can concentrate on us , flag , states , new and old Australians. Time to work it out and stand on our own .
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Old 27th Jan 2022, 02:08
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And everything has a price.

A land development near me was stopped because it had "cultural heritage" and had to be preserved.

Surprisingly, or not, a "confidential agreement" was reached, and the land got bulldozed. It also happened at another location in the Hunter Valley, and these precious bits of culture carried a price and have now disappeared.

As for the "Invasion Day", where would they be if we hadn't "invaded"? The previous 50,000 years weren't all that productive.
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