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Old 8th Jan 2022, 09:58
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
That's still $10 million in USD - unless the engines were nearly new, it would still be cheaper to scrap the engines and get new ones.
Today I spoke to one of the engineers who looked after this fleet who corrected me - $15 million USD each for 6 engines!. The aircraft were parked in Auckland against advice to Management. The only engine to remain servivable was the spare in the hangar. The rest are toast with major corrosion and water damage... I would imagine that a few people have been invited to tea and biscuits in the boardroom over this!
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:01
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Today I spoke to one of the engineers who looked after this fleet who corrected me - $15 million USD each for 6 engines!. The aircraft were parked in Auckland against advice to Management. The only engine to remain serviceable was the spare in the hangar. The rest are toast with major corrosion and water damage... I would imagine that a few people have been invited to tea and biscuits in the boardroom over this!
It is not uncommon that a lot of people on aviation company boards don't know the basic principles relating to the management of airframes and engines however, many are highly skilled in the art of obfuscation.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 23:18
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There are aircraft long term storage procedures in the Maintenance Manual - obviously not followed (or not followed correctly). And Auckland wouldn't exactly be a first choice as a good place for long term storage. There are good storage areas fairly close in Australia.
Did they layoff all the people that knew that?
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 03:19
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
There are aircraft long term storage procedures in the Maintenance Manual - obviously not followed (or not followed correctly). And Auckland wouldn't exactly be a first choice as a good place for long term storage. There are good storage areas fairly close in Australia.
Did they layoff all the people that knew that?
Maybe they figured with them retiring all the 777's the cost to maintain them and the engines would cost more than planes were worth
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 08:04
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Originally Posted by rattman View Post
Maybe they figured with them retiring all the 777's the cost to maintain them and the engines would cost more than planes were worth
Are they leased, if so they will have to be returned to service. Does Air ENZED own them, in which case if they haven’t followed the MM procedures for storage then the insurers will not want to know about them. Seems like a complete waste of money by execs who knew no better……….Bonuses all round I say……..
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 08:05
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The cost doesn't look that bad when seen in terms of modern executive remuneration.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 17:12
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The cost doesn't look that bad when seen in terms of modern executive remuneration.
Haha, love it!
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 22:46
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According to DM they have been stored according to Boeing. Sounds like porkies from somewhere, surely Boeing wouldn't of got it that wrong
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Old 14th Jan 2022, 23:58
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Originally Posted by NzAkL20 View Post
According to DM they have been stored according to Boeing. Sounds like porkies from somewhere, surely Boeing wouldn't of got it that wrong
Aircraft were stored as per Boeing, engines are leased so were also stored in consultation with GE and as per the maintenance contract requirements.
No ones going to argue that Auckland wasn't the best location for long term storage, but this notion that some rogue managers just did their own thing is pure nonsense. Be it the OP or his Engineering "contact" someone's inflating the story....

Last update from Fleet was that of the 3 Aircraft in Auckland, we've got good engines for 1 of them while 4 engines are currently in the shop. Sounds like Corrosion in the Compressor and/or Turbine section(s) requiring new blades. If that equates to $15M repairs to $20M engines then color me surprised. However, exactly how much it will cost and who will be paying how much (Leased engines on Maintenance contact) has not been released.
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 21:03
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The story is now getting a run on Stuff: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...eing-777300ers

Air New Zealand engineering and maintenance group general manager Brett Daley said ...“As the Auckland environment can be higher in humidity than desert storage locations, there has been some surface corrosion on four of the GE90 engines. These issues do not present a safety concern or impact the structure or integrity of the engine or aircraft." ... He said the aircraft were placed into storage in accordance with the maintenance procedures supplied via the engine and aircraft manufacturers. Air New Zealand’s local engineering and maintenance staff managed the aircraft on a regular basis throughout the storage period
i.e. "Nothing to see here, move along please"
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Old 18th Jan 2022, 20:12
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Good old Stuff. They catch up. Eventually.
You'll see that same piece still running in two or three weeks time...
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Old 18th Jan 2022, 20:18
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Originally Posted by kiwi grey View Post
The story is now getting a run on Stuff: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/ind...eing-777300ers



i.e. "Nothing to see here, move along please"
I have seen the pictures... Surface corrosion my rectum!

I am encouraged by the fact that Air New Zealand are proudly claiming that they managed themselves into this situation.
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Old 18th Jan 2022, 23:57
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I have seen the pictures... Surface corrosion my rectum!

I am encouraged by the fact that Air New Zealand are proudly claiming that they managed themselves into this situation.
Given the apparent bitterness I take it you are an ex employee?
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Old 19th Jan 2022, 02:37
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Given the apparent bitterness I take it you are an ex employee?
Haha, just a cynical observer.
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Old 19th Jan 2022, 03:51
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Originally Posted by Looigi View Post
Haha, just a cynical observer.
Ah, the good old NZ tall poppy syndrome strikes again then.
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Old 19th Jan 2022, 04:33
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Ah, the good old NZ tall poppy syndrome strikes again then.
Taller than what? A hobbit?
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