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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 10:19
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WTF has min guarantees to do with the subject of vaccine? A 3 year old has a longer attention span .
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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 10:40
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2.5 years of arguing about covid vaccines not enough for you?
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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 13:38
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Deary me. We certainly like making things difficult. If it's your contention that op meant specifically 150k for 56 hours, guess what. He's still right!

Go have a read of the eba. If one elects, then min guarantee drops to 56 hours a month.

I'll give you one guess as to what the base pay they will receive for those 56 hours.

Take all the time you need.
No, I didn’t know that. And yes, it mean HE’S right, at least technically. He was, however, trying to paint it as if Bonza conditions were the same as Jstar. Having the choice to reduce your hours is a plus, not a minus.
AND if your contention is that 150 for 56 is the SAME as 200 for 75, why is that choice available? Why? Because most people prefer the higher guarantee because it’s a higher guaranteed pay, and not the same at all.
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Old 3rd Aug 2022, 03:20
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Das & Wiz, treatment for Asperger's is available, but meantime your most recent posts should be in the 'Terms and Endearment' section. Mods could maybe help by shunting all such discussions in that direction?
Back on topic (sort of):
Most adults are now vaccinated, and according to a recent study, approximately 50% of those are likely to have already caught Covid at some stage (and somehow miraculously survived). Not everyone will have reported it, or even bothered to self-test, so the real number will forever be unknown.
Therefore, is it time to dump the requirement to isolate for 7 days? For those experiencing only mild effects, is it time to allow them to continue working?
Of course aircrew would need to consider the risks of flying with URTI symptoms, which could vary from non-existent to severe. Discuss.
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Wiz, welcome to the world of relentless deadsh!ttery. It doesn't end, it will keep going with the mindless and relentless pursuit of a 'win'
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aspergers can be mitigated…..maybe…..but there ain’t no ‘treatment’. In any case why would you. By the way under the latest DSM
Asperger’s no longer exists, it’s high functioning autism now……..back on topic.
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Old 17th Dec 2022, 23:35
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Senator Roberts Supports Qantas Pilots

Senator Malcolm Roberts brings up the issues Qantas pilots have been facing:


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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Senator Malcolm Roberts brings up the issues Qantas pilots have been facing:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZH8fTrfLM
He supports a very small minority of Qantas pilots who share his mis-informed view. Has he enquired how MOST Qantas pilots feel about working with people who won't minimize the chance of spreading infection?

Top tip- if Malcolm Roberts is the best you can do, you might want to re-think your stance...

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Wow, I've seen it all now - attempting to support an argument by citing Malcolm Roberts.
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Senator Malcolm Roberts brings up the issues Qantas pilots have been facing:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZH8fTrfLM
where is his empirical evidence?
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Old 18th Dec 2022, 03:45
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post

He supports a very small majority of Qantas pilots who share his mis-informed view. Has he enquired how MOST Qantas pilots feel about working with people who won't minimize the chance of spreading infection?
Havn't you been paying attention? The jab don't stop you catching it and it don't stop you spreading it. Everyone's agreed on that now, even the hardest core vac-whackkos. Where have you been? Them pilots got more chance catching the bug from all the pax they walk by in the terminnal, standing in cues at security, ect. Same as with a cold. use some critical thinking!! That's why the mandates are gone and they not coming back. Sorry to dissapoint you.

PS: my bold, your silly bad

PS: he aint 'misinformed" the facts he quoted about the fact of the matter are true enough. Those guys did lose their jobs. All he done is proposed an amendmnent to discrimination, nohing wrong with that. makes sense too, you refuse a jab that don't work and lose your job? You think that makes sense? Please Explain/.
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The jab don't stop you catching it and it don't stop you spreading it./.
It minimizes both and leads to much lower hospitalization and death rates if you are infected. There is no argument about THAT amongst people who have actual qualifications in the field.
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PS: he aint 'misinformed" the facts he quoted about the fact of the matter are true enough. Those guys did lose their jobs. All he done is proposed an amendmnent to discrimination, nohing wrong with that.
Is he also proposing an amendment to anti-discrimination legislation so that employees who violate other SOPs and company policies can’t be fired? /s

Plus his “facts” are dubious too. The anecdotes about supposed vaccine injuries seem to have come from this list earlier in the year. When posted on this forum here many users (including) myself replied that the list was inaccurate and contained medical issues that had nothing to do with vaccination. They seemingly just compiled a list of any airline worker in Australia who suffered a medical issue in 2021 and attributed it to the Covid vaccine.

As far as court cases go not a single anti mandate case has succeeded, despite how solid the plaintiff says their claims are. Just because you sue and have high priced lawyers doesn’t mean you will come out in a good position, Ben Roberts Smith can attest to that.
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Is he also proposing an amendment to anti-discrimination legislation so that employees who violate other SOPs and company policies can’t be fired? /s

Plus his “facts” are dubious too. The anecdotes about supposed vaccine injuries seem to have come from this list earlier in the year. When posted on this forum here many users (including) myself replied that the list was inaccurate and contained medical issues that had nothing to do with vaccination. They seemingly just compiled a list of any airline worker in Australia who suffered a medical issue in 2021 and attributed it to the Covid vaccine.

As far as court cases go not a single anti mandate case has succeeded, despite how solid the plaintiff says their claims are. Just because you sue and have high priced lawyers doesn’t mean you will come out in a good position, Ben Roberts Smith can attest to that.
As far as court cases go? it takes years to get to court - many still under way. Very telling will be when the evidence used to make the mandates needs to be presented.

Sydney Trains had a Mandate & recently lost in Fairwork )that moves slightly faster than the courts).
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Is he also proposing an amendment to anti-discrimination legislation so that employees who violate other SOPs and company policies can’t be fired? /s
well why would he? i guess hes not. Doesn't say he is. can you see the diference between what you jus said a what he purposed in the senate? Do you discriminate between one persons right not to be discriminated against and anothers? he's porposing an amendnment to the act. Pretty simple.



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Plus his “facts” are dubious too. The anecdotes about supposed vaccine injuries seem to have come from this list earlier in the year. When posted on this forum here many users (including) myself replied that the list was inaccurate and contained medical issues that had nothing to do with vaccination. They seemingly just compiled a list of any airline worker in Australia who suffered a medical issue in 2021 and attributed it to the Covid vaccine.

I didnt see any anecdotes about inuries in the video, maybe need to watch again but not got the time now. got a time stamp? i think his amendment isn't about injuries, just discriminination right? whats wrong with preventing discrimination?


sorry i havent read your list and not liekly to now but imagine its about as useful as the lists everyone else (including you im guessing) seemed okay with about how many pepole died of covid instead of with covid, people hit by a bus, had the germ = "died of covid " , ect ect you get the idea. lots of stuff made no sense, but some of you seem to cherry pick what you like the sound of based on your own decisiion re the jab. let others make there own decisions. hands off. lockdowns made no sense, check out dr Jay chayabayayathnagra or whatever it is, banned form tiwitter for disagreeing on lockdowns and mandates, the guys a professor at Stanford, youd think hed know what hes talking about right? better quals then you im guessing?



Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
As far as court cases go not a single anti mandate case has succeeded, despite how solid the plaintiff says their claims are. Just because you sue and have high priced lawyers doesn’t mean you will come out in a good position, Ben Roberts Smith can attest to that.

as far as i know Ben Roberts Smith VC MG is still waiting thedecision on his case. it might turn out the way you might seem to want it but bit early to be crowing about it now dont ya think? don't forget his post nomininals.... whatever else you might think, he earnt them letters.

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well why would he? i guess hes not. Doesn't say he is. can you see the diference between what you jus said an what he purposed in the senate? Do you discriminate between one persons right not to be discriminated against and anothers? he's porposing an amendnment to the act. Pretty simple.



QUOTE=dr dre;11350036]Plus his “facts” are dubious too. The anecdotes about supposed vaccine injuries seem to have come from this list earlier in the year. When posted on this forum here many users (including) myself replied that the list was inaccurate and contained medical issues that had nothing to do with vaccination. They seemingly just compiled a list of any airline worker in Australia who suffered a medical issue in 2021 and attributed it to the Covid vaccine.

I didnt see any anecdotes about inuries in the video, maybe need to watch again but not got the time now. got a time stamp? i think his amendment isn't about injuries, just discriminination right? whats wrong with preventing discrimination?


sorry i havent read your list and not liekly to now but imagine its about as useful as the lists everyone else (including you im guessing) seemed okay with about how many pepole died of covid instead of with covid, people hit by a bus, had the germ = "died of covid " , ect ect you get the idea. lots of stuff made no sense, but some of you seem to cherry pick what you like the sound of based on your own decisiion re the jab. let others make there own decisions. hands off. lockdowns made no sense, check out dr Jay chayabayayathnagra or whatever it is, banned form tiwitter for disagreeing on lockdowns and mandates, the guys a professor at Stanford, youd think hed know what hes talking about right? better quals then you im guessing?



QUOTE=dr dre;11350036]As far as court cases go not a single anti mandate case has succeeded, despite how solid the plaintiff says their claims are. Just because you sue and have high priced lawyers doesn’t mean you will come out in a good position, Ben Roberts Smith can attest to that.[/QUOTE]


as far as i know Ben Roberts Smith VC MG is still waiting thedecision on his case. it might turn out the way you might seem to want it but bit early to be crowing about it now dont ya think? don't forget his post nomininals.... whatever else you might think, he earnt them letters.[/QUOTE]

Shall we count the "silly bads" in this abomination?
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As far as court cases go? it takes years to get to court - many still under way. Very telling will be when the evidence used to make the mandates needs to be presented.

Sydney Trains had a Mandate & recently lost in Fairwork )that moves slightly faster than the courts).
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The Sydney Trains case regarded backpay and leave entitlements for those who were stood down in accordance with the policy, it was ruling on the HR processes involved. Not the mandate itself and the Commssion made that clear in the case.

Legal cases in Australia arguing unfair dismissal and challenging mandates themselves have been unsuccessful in multiple industries.
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I didnt see any anecdotes about inuries in the video, maybe need to watch again but not got the time now. got a time stamp?
It’s this link in the first post of the earlier thread I posted. Scroll down the page to see a list of all the “adverse reactions”, which posters in that thread then debunked as rubbish. I never heard of a spate of heart attacks, defibrillations, comas and deaths plaguing the industry in the second half of 2021, as I never heard of it in circles out side of aviation.

i think his amendment isn't about injuries, just discriminination right? whats wrong with preventing discrimination?.
Failing to comply with company policies is not discrimination. It is legal grounds to have your job terminated. If any pilot stated they refuse to operate an aircraft in accordance with SOPs and company policies then they too would have their employment terminated.

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After the events in Queensland last week, Senator Roberts might want to be careful which cookers he hitches his wagon up to in his opportunistic chase for votes (albeit from a very small percentage of the total population).
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Just get the vaccine, simple really.
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