Covid Vaccines and Pilots
That was perhaps the biggest load of **** I have ever watched in my life. I seriously wanted to punch that so-called female Dr in the throat. I lost count of the number of times she mentioned, "Long term effects" Give me a break! How does she know the long term effects of anything she ingests on a daily basis? And it looks like she is well versed on that part. How does she know the long term effects of Covid? How does she know the long term effects of any of the new medications she prescribes? eg Fosinopril. The list just goes on and on ad nauseum. The answer of course is, she doesn't. No one does. It's not based on hope. If it were, it wouldn't have got past phase 1 or 2 clinical trials.
This video is nothing but fear mongering and non-correlative data with biases as long as my 10 acre yard.
This video is nothing but fear mongering and non-correlative data with biases as long as my 10 acre yard.
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This video is nothing but fear mongering and non-correlative data with biases as long as my 10 acre yard.
This video is nothing but fear mongering and non-correlative data with biases as long as my 10 acre yard.
Well. It looks like you're stuck with these individuals and 'their' science while ever the state trains and licences them as medical practitioners. Believe the science. Pick your side and become a rabid evangelist for your side.
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Originally Posted by tossbag
You lot are embarrassing. Novak has the courage of his convictions, he is risking more career wise than all of you. He hasn't backed down on what he believes in and it has cost him significantly legacy wise. Why are you threatened by someone who has different beliefs than you? Has he and others not the right to question science? That's what science is right? Or is it blindly believing a scientist, many who have got it seriously wrong over the covid period. If you are not questioning the science that is put forward than you are a sheep and I question your career choice.
(Double vaxxed, boosted, vaccination believer but not threatened by people who question the world they live in)
(Double vaxxed, boosted, vaccination believer but not threatened by people who question the world they live in)
The idea the all beliefs are equal is not valid. It is quite possible to vehemently believe something and just br plain wrong.
Athiest here. I don't belief in 'beliefs'
Science is the key, not blindly following it, but reading it, understanding it, questioning it. When all of these professionals are trained in the same science and there are contrary views what do you do? Unfortunately there are zealots on both sides that find it impossible to discuss, debate and argue the differing views. To my mind the rabid vaxxers are every bit as bad as the anti-vax crew.
And the moral high grounders tend to be the vaxxers. Given recent information on the vaccines you don't find it prudent to ask questions?
Science is the key, not blindly following it, but reading it, understanding it, questioning it. When all of these professionals are trained in the same science and there are contrary views what do you do? Unfortunately there are zealots on both sides that find it impossible to discuss, debate and argue the differing views. To my mind the rabid vaxxers are every bit as bad as the anti-vax crew.
And the moral high grounders tend to be the vaxxers. Given recent information on the vaccines you don't find it prudent to ask questions?
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
I am at present unsure of all the details and will try to gain more information in due course but a local Bloke, whom I knew on a 'saying G'day' basis was earlier this week found dead in his bed, the morning after receiving a vaccination injection. Apparently his first one.
The fact that he was a Blackfella (and please, no tirades of abuse from anyone, because that is how he described himself!) may or may not have anything to do with it but I hope that the Post Mortem may reveal any causes.
He was a bloody good Bloke, a hard worker and will be missed by many locals.
The fact that he was a Blackfella (and please, no tirades of abuse from anyone, because that is how he described himself!) may or may not have anything to do with it but I hope that the Post Mortem may reveal any causes.
He was a bloody good Bloke, a hard worker and will be missed by many locals.
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Originally Posted by tossbag
Athiest here. I don't belief in 'beliefs'
Science is the key, not blindly following it, but reading it, understanding it, questioning it. When all of these professionals are trained in the same science and there are contrary views what do you do? Unfortunately there are zealots on both sides that find it impossible to discuss, debate and argue the differing views. To my mind the rabid vaxxers are every bit as bad as the anti-vax crew.
And the moral high grounders tend to be the vaxxers. Given recent information on the vaccines you don't find it prudent to ask questions?
Science is the key, not blindly following it, but reading it, understanding it, questioning it. When all of these professionals are trained in the same science and there are contrary views what do you do? Unfortunately there are zealots on both sides that find it impossible to discuss, debate and argue the differing views. To my mind the rabid vaxxers are every bit as bad as the anti-vax crew.
And the moral high grounders tend to be the vaxxers. Given recent information on the vaccines you don't find it prudent to ask questions?
It's fine to ask questions. The problems start when you refuse to believe the answers if they don't conform to your pre-conceptions. And i echo dr dre- WHAT informion re vaxxines? That 10 BILLION doses have been goen and it's proven to be one of the safest healh initiatives in history?
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That 10 BILLION doses have been goen and it's proven to be one of the safest healh initiatives in history?
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But you have to wait ten years before you can say that, don’t you?
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
But you have to wait ten years before you can say that, don’t you?
Follow ups happen within months at most. Almost all reactions happen with a month or two of the trial vaccine.
“Long term trials” are because most diseases haven’t been recorded and monitored as in-depth as Covid. It may take several years to gauge how much protection a vaccine provides against a less common less communicable disease. This was not a problem for Covid, with large numbers of cases closely monitored it was possible to gauge the effectiveness of the vaccine quickly in the test subjects, who would number in the thousands or tens of thousands.
The long term surveillance after that is when the vaccine is approved and hundreds of millions and billions of people are jabbed. Then they try to measure the extremely rare effects, the one in 100 million effects, that will only arise when such a large number are jabbed.
It’s very simple science really
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Hint: I don't. Should have used that sarcasm face.
There it is!
There it is!
Given recent information on the vaccines you don't find it prudent to ask questions?
You listen to those qualified to interpret the information.
Have done that since the start.
You critically examine claims that are against the general consensus. They are not always wrong, but that's usually a safe bet.
Don't think I've done anything but that.
You realise there will always be a percentage of the population that will seek to not believe the majority view BECAUSE it's the majprity view
Bit of a generalisation there right?
and others who will seek to exploit those people for personal gain.
It's fine to ask questions. The problems start when you refuse to believe the answers if they don't conform to your pre-conceptions.
Preconceptions? How do you know it's other peoples preconceptions or a decision they've made based on the science?
That 10 BILLION doses have been goen and it's proven to be one of the safest healh initiatives in history?
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Where did I dispute this? I think people have the right to make decisions that effect their own health and wellbeing.
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The continuing evidence and action against the questionable practices of some pharmaceutical companies.
Yes. But we should work as a society to make sure they are doing so based on the truth, and expose when they are being lied to.
There has been none to suggest anything other than that the vaccines are safe and effective. So his is a good example- you asked, it's answered, topic closed unless new information comes to hand, right?
You say 'safe and effective.' Yes, for the overwhelming majority of people they are. But there are some people that may make the decision, due other health complications or concerns that they are better off without the vax. These people are being vilified by vaxxers.
I don't care for the anti-vaxxers, healthy people that rant and rave about vaccinations are a special kind of 'citizen.' The extreme on both sides are as bad as each other.
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100% agree.
I had the Astra vaccine, I did a bit of reading before choosing this one, the ongoing misinformation, in particular from the hysterical, incompetent, so called health professionals and government in QLD was bordering on libel/defamation. Yet the side effects of the pfizer vaccine were conveniently glossed over. People have the right to the side effect information of these vaccines without the hysterical rubbish from both sides, be it vax/antivax. And then make health decisions based on that.
I had the Astra vaccine, I did a bit of reading before choosing this one, the ongoing misinformation, in particular from the hysterical, incompetent, so called health professionals and government in QLD was bordering on libel/defamation. Yet the side effects of the pfizer vaccine were conveniently glossed over. People have the right to the side effect information of these vaccines without the hysterical rubbish from both sides, be it vax/antivax. And then make health decisions based on that.
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You say 'safe and effective.' Yes, for the overwhelming majority of people they are. But there are some people that may make the decision, due other health complications or concerns that they are better off without the vax. These people are being vilified by vaxxers.
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I don't care for the anti-vaxxers, healthy people that rant and rave about vaccinations are a special kind of 'citizen.' The extreme on both sides are as bad as each other.
